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Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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Re: Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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If I could live and not have a job, I wouldn't have a job. I could do my art and enjoy my life and the economy would crumble while everyone else watches Netflix.

If I could live and not have a job I would have a job because I love awesome cars and people would pay me what I deserve to be paid because people who didn't want to work wouldn't be overcrowding the market. I want more than the basics and it requires money. You just want to practice your art. I'm happy to pay for you to do nothing so long as you're happy with me having far far more than you materially.

Re: Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. That's why you have children.

That philosophy is directly responsible for overpopulation. If you need to have children to keep from starving to death when you're old, you'll want to have a lot of them. Note that the areas where this is true are precisely the ones with catastrophically high birth rates, and the areas where there are pensions, social programs, etc. are precisely the ones where population is stable, or even falling.

> Note that the areas where this is true are precisely the ones with catastrophically high birth rates, and the areas where there are pensions, social programs, etc. are precisely the ones where population is stable, or even falling.

And then those countries with pensions and falling population are mentioned as ones who need to import immigrants in order to keep their pension pyramid scheme working...

Re: Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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post #4

If I could live and not have a job, I wouldn't have a job. I could do my art and enjoy my life and the economy would crumble while everyone else watches Netflix.

Well, personally, I wouldn't happy living on the bare minimum. I'd still want nice things and would work for them.

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post #3

I wonder if universal basic income is going to change the ad hoc basic income we already have in place -- the one where I'm supporting my retired parents, my wife, and my pre-workforce kid.

If you're supporting your retired parents that's a strong signal of a big failure at a societal level.

It's the norm in China, and it seems to have benefits, especially if you have children of your own.

Re: Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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post #3

I wonder if universal basic income is going to change the ad hoc basic income we already have in place -- the one where I'm supporting my retired parents, my wife, and my pre-workforce kid.

If you're supporting your retired parents that's a strong signal of a big failure at a societal level.

My parents would be fine without my support, but I'm supporting them anyway.

How does that signal anything negative at all?

ps. gfsn54nsf never said they needed his help, nor did he say that he's somehow forced to support them.

Re: Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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post #4

If I could live and not have a job, I wouldn't have a job. I could do my art and enjoy my life and the economy would crumble while everyone else watches Netflix.

If I could live and not have a job I would have a job because I love awesome cars and people would pay me what I deserve to be paid because people who didn't want to work wouldn't be overcrowding the market. I want more than the basics and it requires money. You just want to practice your art. I'm happy to pay for you to do nothing so long as you're happy with me having far far more than you materially.

You are happy to say that because you don't currently have far, far more than everyone else, and so in your mind, "I get a lot more money, but I have to pay some of it back" sounds like a nice bargain.

However, the people who already have far, far more wealth than everyone else have nothing to gain from that way of thinking, as they already have most of the wealth without having to pay UBI. So why would they allow it?

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post #4

If I could live and not have a job, I wouldn't have a job. I could do my art and enjoy my life and the economy would crumble while everyone else watches Netflix.

In the US service industry jobs have surpassed manufacturing so I would argue this is happening already to some degree.

Re: Universal Basic Income Will Likely Increase Social Cohesion

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post #16
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're supporting your retired parents that's a strong signal of a big failure at a societal level.

It's the norm in China, and it seems to have benefits, especially if you have children of your own.

As an economic entity China has a ton of submerged problems and I don't think their 'solutions' to any problem will easily transplant to the rest of the world without accepting a bunch of their other problems into the package as well.
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