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I think the question to ask people who favor punishment prisons is this: prisoners get out of prison one day. If a prisoner was moving in the house next to yours as your neighbor, would you rather have a prisoner from a prison focused on humane treatment or from a prison focused on punishment?
The people who favor punishment prisons live in communities unaffordable to convicts and have likely never met one or ever expected to meet one.
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I think the question to ask people who favor punishment prisons is this: prisoners get out of prison one day. If a prisoner was moving in the house next to yours as your neighbor, would you rather have a prisoner from a prison focused on humane treatment or from a prison focused on punishment?
prisoners get out of prison one day Unfortunately the people who favour punishment prisons are likely to counter by saying that people should never get out of prison; or, if they do, they should be banned from living next to ''decent'' people (this is the effect of things like offender registry laws).
After reading the article, I'm wondering: so, how Germany does prison? > Over the next several days, I’ll be keeping a tour diary for The Marshall Project and VICE, watching as they visit a series of facilities in Berlin and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania This is an article about what the article will say once they write it. Premature journalism at its best.
Maybe you missed the whole "article series" thing? You can click on the tag to see all of the articles published thus far on this project:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/tag/how-germany-does-pris...
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prisoners get out of prison one day Unfortunately the people who favour punishment prisons are likely to counter by saying that people should never get out of prison; or, if they do, they should be banned from living next to ''decent'' people (this is the effect of things like offender registry laws).
Even those people don't think you should get a life sentence for every crime. If a prisoner gets out of prison they are going to live somewhere, so somebody is going to be their neighbor. Even if they aren't your neighbor they still live in the same city. The only way around that is to make completely segregated cities for ex-prisoners with walls around them, but that's effectively a giant prison with life sentences…
The effect of 3-strikes laws was a life sentence for every third crime, and these have been quite popular. My point is the underlying moral viewpoint of some people that crime is a character trait and not a contingent behaviour: the view that some people are just "bad". Switching this discussion to the rational mode is extremely hard.
Anecdotes from a Scandinavian country: - When I was a kid someone "borrowed" a bulldozer and made a huge hole in the wall at a prison. A few guys escaped. But most of the rest didn't. They were having some sort of family day and didn't think it made sense to bolt. - I was taught how to swim by a convict on release. He had a police officer with him each time, but she kept in the background. He was doing time for a vio…
I think the question to ask people who favor punishment prisons is this: prisoners get out of prison one day. If a prisoner was moving in the house next to yours as your neighbor, would you rather have a prisoner from a prison focused on humane treatment or from a prison focused on punishment?
I don't think anyone says prisons should be inhumane in order to punish criminals. The imprisonment is the punishment, not the treatment inside the prison.
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I think the question to ask people who favor punishment prisons is this: prisoners get out of prison one day. If a prisoner was moving in the house next to yours as your neighbor, would you rather have a prisoner from a prison focused on humane treatment or from a prison focused on punishment?
You set it up as "punishment prisons" vs. "humane prisons". I don't think anyone says prisons should be inhumane in order to punish criminals. The imprisonment is the punishment, not the treatment inside the prison.
Cruel? No, some folks line up to do those jobs. If its ok for Joe Shmoe to get paid minimum wage to do it, then its ok for inmates. Just hot and miserable.
Anyway, I'm 'incarcerated' in my cubicle for 8 hours a day. It definitely matters what treatment is inside the prison.
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You set it up as "punishment prisons" vs. "humane prisons". I don't think anyone says prisons should be inhumane in order to punish criminals. The imprisonment is the punishment, not the treatment inside the prison.
And yet...Texas made their lesser criminals plant potatoes in the hot Texas sun in the middle of nowhere. Recidivism dropped to almost nothing, for those crimes (petty theft etc). Cruel? No, some folks line up to do those jobs. If its ok for Joe Shmoe to get paid minimum wage to do it, then its ok for inmates. Just hot and miserable. Anyway, I'm 'incarcerated' in my cubicle for 8 hours a day. It definitely matters wh…
Really? You can't go to lunch when you want? Go for a coffee break? Call in sick when you aren't well? Quit that job if you find a better one?
Anybody who lines up for the opportunity to plant potatoes in the hot sun is clearly desperate for work. Desperate people will do lots of things that "normal" people would not.
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I think the question to ask people who favor punishment prisons is this: prisoners get out of prison one day. If a prisoner was moving in the house next to yours as your neighbor, would you rather have a prisoner from a prison focused on humane treatment or from a prison focused on punishment?
You set it up as "punishment prisons" vs. "humane prisons". I don't think anyone says prisons should be inhumane in order to punish criminals. The imprisonment is the punishment, not the treatment inside the prison.
Huh? People say it all of the time, at least in the U. S. Prison rape is just a given with no visible attempts at fixing it, and $DEITY help the prison official or politician proposing putting in TV, or keeping the prison library updated lest they be labelled as "coddling" prisoners.
Maybe we just have vastly different points of view, but I find your statement to be outlandish enough that I assume that I've misunderstood what you're saying.
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I've never seen more police than in Berlin. In Norway I can go for months without seeing police. In Berlin they were everywhere with guns and body armor. So, yeah, not underfunded at all, as far as I can see.
Berlin is a special case because there are a lot of places that require protection such as government buildings, embassies and synagogues. There is also a protest somewhere in Berlin on almost any given day. On top of that there is the criminal activity, drugs mostly, which means that the police raid places like Görlitzer Park pretty much daily. In the rest of Germany there are cities you can easily spend months in w…