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Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#31
As a manager, if an employee of mine came to me and said "I'm burning out, what do I do?" I'd do whatever I could to help them rediscover their passion for the job they're doing.

But as an employee, I made the mistake at my last job of telling my boss that I wasn't happy. Instead of trying to help, he pushed me out the door. I'm glad to not be there any more, and my happiness levels skyrocketed, but I'll be wary in the future of telling my boss that I'm unhappy/burnt out.

It sucks.

Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#32

As a manager, if an employee of mine came to me and said "I'm burning out, what do I do?" I'd do whatever I could to help them rediscover their passion for the job they're doing. But as an employee, I made the mistake at my last job of telling my boss that I wasn't happy. Instead of trying to help, he pushed me out the door. I'm glad to not be there any more, and my happiness levels skyrocketed, but I'll be wary in t…

I'm sure he was a horrible boss anyway and I think for the future, if you ever need to hold on to a job for another six months or something but you're really burnt out, maybe it's be good to provide an actionable request. "I'm unhappy and burnt out and to get back to being productive I need to take two weeks off from next week and I want to change my working hours to Y for Z weeks thereafter.

Of course it's hard to think straight when you're down like that, though.

Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#34

1. Quitting and finding a new job doing the same thing (dev I presume) might not solve the issues. It could lead to additional stressors that worsen the problem. 2. As an employer, make it easy for me! Be able to say what's going on matter-of-factly with a focus on how you feel and how it affects yourself. Don't focus on other people, now is not the time to air grievances within the team. Come up with a few options y…

Per #1 - make sure it isn't just change just for the sake of change and that the likelihood is that you'll end up experiencing the same problems (but probably a different spin) is possible. Before you hop jobs make sure it will really resolve some problems you have and won't be experiencing "same shit, different day/place/employer"

Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#35
You have to kinda gauge the culture. When I was getting ready to move on, I let my new boss know, who got me a meeting with the CEO, where we hashed everything out. We promised to keep everyone on the same page, and rash moves were prevented on both sides.

But you do have to be firm. I hope you have some cash saved up that you can live on in case of sudden unemployment. Personally, I'd recommend a three-month trip abroad. I travel every few years and it's great for resetting my burnout clock.

Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#36

What would you want your boss to do? Let's say this is a perfect, magical world where your boss will do everything possible to help you. What actions would she take? Would she switch you to another team? Reduce your workload? Allow you to work from home? Let you take a month off? Basically your boss can't make your burnout magically go away. Figure out what you'd ideally want her to do. Then figure if that's even pos…

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Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#37
I got burnt out working 10+ hour days, 7 days a week for a year, tried to ignore it and push through and was noticeably showing signs of burnout and productivity issues because of it. I couldn't take it anymore and asked for a week vacation. 3 days into the week vacation I was fired.

Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#38
I'm a boss of devs. My off the cuff response to you is "please, god _please_, talk to your boss." Say exactly what you told us. "I'm burnt out, I've tried addressing the problem..."

Before you do, think through what's causing the burnout. It could be the hours, that's where everyone goes first, but it could be a particular client, it could be the number of projects you're having to concurrently work, it could be your environment, it could something else completely, or it could be a combination of a bunch of those things.

Once you get sorta close to what's causing the burnout you can work to a solution that you can pitch your boss. But I wouldn't lead with it, I'd let him ask you "so what can we do" and then present what you're thinking.

Speaking as a boss, I really don't want people quitting for negative reasons. If they get some crazy offer that I can't match or they get to work on some cool tech that excites them, them's the breaks and it suck for me but I'm excited for them. But if I have people quitting for systemic reasons, man that's bad juju and I need to know so I can fix that shit before quitting becomes contagious and I lose a shop full of good people.

It's also been mentioned a couple times to see a counselor. I concur. You may be dealing with some anxiety and depression issues that a qualified doc can help you through.

Re: Ask HN: Discuss burnout with boss?

#39

I got burnt out working 10+ hour days, 7 days a week for a year, tried to ignore it and push through and was noticeably showing signs of burnout and productivity issues because of it. I couldn't take it anymore and asked for a week vacation. 3 days into the week vacation I was fired.

Amazon employee spotted.
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