Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
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Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Wow. Pretty harsh, considering that the author of said "ambiguous thesis" is also one of the handful of people responsible for defining the very infrastructure which makes your diatribe possible to disseminate. Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet which re…
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Your fixation of the HTTP protocol was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, on-his-own. The first version created in 1991 supported the most important GET Request method (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/AsImplemented.html). The first NCSA Mosaic browser and Netscape Navigator was shipped before RFC-1945 was published and long before the REST thesis was dropped in 2000. To this day browsers only have native FORM support for GET/POST - the antiquated verbs REST-afarains like to spend their days arguing about are inconsequential to the web as we know it, but of-course this doesn't stop people trying to amplify its importance by dragging it by association through the foundations of the Internet.
The fact you glorify a simple text protocol as the magical thing that makes the web possible is indicative of the extent of your religious delusion to a single technology. Modern browsers are built on millions lines of code, only a fraction of that is spent processing HTTP. There's an immense array of technology responsible for processing each browser request (https://plus.google.com/+JeanBaptisteQueru/posts/dfydM2Cnepe) - HTTP is the tiniest spec of what's required for users to view a web page.
> This largely can be explained by bloated JavaScript-based SPA's[2] downloading megabytes of interpreted code.
Those SPA's you scorn because they don't fall into your REST view is what's responsible for the most popular and useful Web Apps available today. Go ahead and try make versions of Gmail, Facebook, Google Maps, Google Docs / Office, etc with dumb clients and full page reloads on every request and see how well-received and enjoyable your unusable works of REST art is, ignored by users whose only concern is ability of the softwares function to meet their needs.
Any fool can create simple a text protocol, any fool can create a dumb, server-driven client, any fool can document a code-on-demand solution. That isn't to say HTTP isn't a well-thought out and defined work, it is, just that every feature or objective can be solved independently. The world didn't have to wait for REST for this to be possible, and it shouldn't be the be-all and end-all where all innovation for something better delivering superior results ceases because its holy constraints are violated.
Technology works by solving problems and meeting objectives/goals. Technology improves by iterating, reworking existing ideas and finding new ones to solve objectives better and is constantly improving by the collective intelligence of smart people constantly pushing the limits of what's possible every day - it doesn't need to be shackled by hindering every solution into 1 way of thinking.
The only thing that matters is the end-result, everything else including the tools and technologies used to facilitate it, is secondary. Something developers devout to religious technologies refuse to comprehend, who will happily place their needs for religious compliance over-and-above the project and its customers.
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually no, TCP/IP/DNS is the backbone of the Internet and what made the Internet possible, HTTP was invented before Roy dropped his thesis. People like to give Roy kudos for inventing the Internet ... Hi strawman[1], nice to see you again. I specifically stated that Fielding, Berners-Lee, and Frystyk were responsible for defining HTTP . A fact well documented by the aforementioned RFC-1945 reference. Since your rep…
Thanks but I don't need a misguided history lesson skewed to support your warped view of events attributing the creation of the Web to your lord and savior who you wish was sole entity responsible for the Internet but was instead created by the geniuses who built the ARPANET in 1969 which is what formed the technical foundation and what made the Internet possible. Your fixation of the HTTP protocol was invented by Ti…
Thanks but I don't need a misguided history
lesson skewed to support your warped view of
events attributing the creation of the Web to
your lord and savior who you wish was sole
entity responsible for the Internet but was
instead created by the geniuses who built the
ARPANET in 1969 which is what formed the
technical foundation and what made the
Internet possible.
I have no idea where your anger, vitriol, and venom originate. I humbly suggest you find someone professionally qualified to help you work through these issues. Perhaps you are experiencing a persecutory delusion[1], though I freely state I am not a clinical psychiatrist and only present this as a possibility from someone who has never met you personally. Your fixation of the HTTP protocol was
invented by Tim Berners-Lee, on-his-own.
The first version created in 1991 supported
the most important GET Request method
(http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/AsImplemented.html).
Of course Tim Berners-Lee has been and remains a major force in defining the HTTP protocol and "the Web" as we know it. This is well documented and an indisputable fact. However, as great as his contributions have been and continue to be, he has not operated alone.What you fail to mention in the statement you quote is:
This is a subset of the full HTTP protocol,
and is known as HTTP 0.9.
(http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/AsImplemented.html)
The HTTP protocol has not stood still and has had contributors throughout the last 24 years. If you cannot accept this, that is your issue to deal with and not mine.If you had even read Section 1.1 of RFC-1945, you could have saved yourself the embarrassment of saying "The first version created in 1991", as the RFC reads thusly:
HTTP has been in use by the World-Wide Web
global information initiative since 1990.
Remember that one of the authors of this RFC is Mr. Tim Berners-Lee.You then go on to spew:
The fact you glorify a simple text
protocol as the magical thing that makes
the web possible is indicative of the
extent of your religious delusion to a
single technology.
Well, if you cannot accept my explanation of the importance of HTTP, perhaps you can fathom what Mr. Berners-Lee wrote instead: Did you invent the Internet?
No, no, no!
...
I just had to take the hypertext idea and
connect it to the TCP and DNS ideas and
-- ta-da! -- the World Wide Web.[2]
Can you accept/understand that the primary contributor to what you colloquially describe as what "makes the web possible" is, in fact, stating that the web was made by combining hypertext with previously established technologies? See also previous mention of persecutory delusion[1]. Go ahead and try make versions of Gmail,
Facebook, Google Maps, Google Docs / Office,
etc with dumb clients and full page
reloads on every request ...
The fact that you conflate a REST architecture with "full page reloads" only shows your ignorance. There is nothing precluding an XMLHttpRequest sent from a browser client to a REST endpoint. Actually, it is quite common and the REST server wouldn't know/care if it were done anyway. Any fool can create simple a text protocol,
any fool can create a dumb, server-driven
client, any fool can document a
code-on-demand solution.
No, any fool can trivialize the accomplishments of those before them. Any fool can benefit from infrastructure which allows them to be oblivious to how the bytes sent around the world "just work." Any fool can lament about performance on a resource constrained platform, such as a mobile device, and reject possibilities to address them. That isn't to say HTTP isn't a well-thought
out and defined work, it is ...
That must have seriously hurt you to type.1 - http://psychcentral.com/encyclopedia/2008/persecutory-delusi...
Re: Facebook Relay: An Evil And/Or Incompetent Attack on REST
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks but I don't need a misguided history lesson skewed to support your warped view of events attributing the creation of the Web to your lord and savior who you wish was sole entity responsible for the Internet but was instead created by the geniuses who built the ARPANET in 1969 which is what formed the technical foundation and what made the Internet possible. Your fixation of the HTTP protocol was invented by Ti…
Thanks but I don't need a misguided history lesson skewed to support your warped view of events attributing the creation of the Web to your lord and savior who you wish was sole entity responsible for the Internet but was instead created by the geniuses who built the ARPANET in 1969 which is what formed the technical foundation and what made the Internet possible. I have no idea where your anger, vitriol, and venom o…