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The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by omarchowdhury »

wdewind wrote: post #43
zappo2938 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American overweight problem is cultural and not an issue with eating high or low glycemic foods like the article states. If losing weight is an issue for someone. They are better off having a larger second meal and a smaller third meal even if that third meal is at 9 or 10pm so they can enjoy it with family or after work. The idea is not to have more blood sugar than then the liver can store as glycogen at bed ti…

It really really doesn't matter how you time your calories.

Please elaborate further. Sources et al.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by a8da6b0c91d »

zappo2938 wrote: post #12

The role of liver function and glycogen should be included in this conversation.[1] There might be a lot more at work than just elevated blood sugar levels. In most normal people, meaning without diabetes and other metabolism problems, the liver doesn't immediately convert sugar to fat. Rather extra sugar is converted to glycogen which can be easily accessed for energy. What happens when a runner carbo loads the nigh…

> leaving excess sugar that will be converted into fat

De-novo lipogenisis from sugar in practice does not happen humans. If you do something goofy like keep dietary fat under 5 grams and eat hundreds of grams of carbohydrate some monounsaturated fats can be synthesized, but it's fair to say that it basically doesn't happen.

Any fat on your body came directly from fats you ate. Sugar and carbohydrate only matter with regard to weight loss to the extent they displace fat metabolism.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by lsniddy »

wlesieutre wrote: post #16
lsniddy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The twinkie diet guy was funded by coca cola http://observer.com/2015/10/here-are-the-people-coca-cola-ha...

> You probably saw the compelling story on CNN that a nutrition professor ate only Twinkies for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds! Except they didn’t disclose one important fact — he got paid by Coca-Cola. Perhaps “Coke-Funded Nutrition Professor Tries to Prove Junk Food Healthy” is now a more appropriate title. And his surprising finding that junk food can be eaten without consequence: perfectly on message for Coca-Cola.…

Nothing falsified about his data - just pointing out how its part of a larger campaign by companies like Coke to try and make sugar seem harmless, and lack of exercise the real enemy.

I mean, I could have a diet of pure whiskey for a month and lose weight. Weight loss on its own isn't healthy, especially if its only temporary.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by jcranmer »

visakanv wrote: post #50
bad_user wrote: post #26

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

> Humans have been eating fats and carbohydrates ever since the dawn of men. It's part of our identity as omnivores. I'm curious to hear a list of carbohydrates that humans have been eating since the dawn of men. Surely not glazed donuts. Did cavemen make bread?

The earliest evidence of flour production is 30,000 years ago, well into the Paleolithic, so yes, cavemen did make bread.

Also, the first crops to be domesticated were grain crops.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by visakanv »

wlesieutre wrote: post #16
lsniddy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The twinkie diet guy was funded by coca cola http://observer.com/2015/10/here-are-the-people-coca-cola-ha...

> You probably saw the compelling story on CNN that a nutrition professor ate only Twinkies for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds! Except they didn’t disclose one important fact — he got paid by Coca-Cola. Perhaps “Coke-Funded Nutrition Professor Tries to Prove Junk Food Healthy” is now a more appropriate title. And his surprising finding that junk food can be eaten without consequence: perfectly on message for Coca-Cola.…

> Because it still sounds like he only ate twinkies and lost weight.

The problem is that nobody can seriously eat only twinkies at a caloric deficit indefinitely. He was getting his caloric needs from sugar, and he was avoiding weight gain by undereating. If he kept it up for say, a year, he would have experienced all sorts of nasty symptoms– irritability, etc.

I'd liken it to staying awake for 3 days. Sure, you can do it, but it's not sustainable.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by visakanv »

cschmidt wrote: post #44
mathgeek wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you link the sources for your claims? I'm asking sincerely, as I'm sure people interested in the topic will want to see the research.

If you're interested, the book Big Fat Surprise talks a great deal about how fat (other than trans fat) isn't bad for you. http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Fat-Surprise-Healthy/dp/145162...

I also recommend reading Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat: http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by kbutler »

smtddr wrote: post #6
joekim29 wrote: post #2

How about we stop "fearing" certain foods and just eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted? Or if you want to simply lose weight, just calorie restricted. Or do I have to bring up the people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?

>>"eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted?" Define "reasonably" and "restricted". Otherwise, you might as well say "If everyone just did the right thing, everything would be as it should!" which has no actionable component. >>"people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?" ....but suffered dozens of other health problems that'll lead to an early grave. "Super…

Super size me has been (politely) not reproducible, or less politely, shown to be shockingly full of crap.

http://www.sott.net/article/126285-Supersize-me-revisited-un...

http://www.cracked.com/article_20585_6-famous-documentaries-...

Moral: popular media is a horrible source of scientific knowledge

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by herge »

wdewind wrote: post #43
zappo2938 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American overweight problem is cultural and not an issue with eating high or low glycemic foods like the article states. If losing weight is an issue for someone. They are better off having a larger second meal and a smaller third meal even if that third meal is at 9 or 10pm so they can enjoy it with family or after work. The idea is not to have more blood sugar than then the liver can store as glycogen at bed ti…

It really really doesn't matter how you time your calories.

To manage weight, it doesn't matter. But to manage feelings of hunger, it does.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by mannimow »

Every article on fats vs. carbs dilemma stresses out weight management issue, none of them mention any other effects, but weight. As a skinny guy, what are the dangers of say french fries, honey, and fast food? What about when coupled with active life style and moderate exercise?

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Post by volkk »

jcranmer wrote: post #54
visakanv wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Humans have been eating fats and carbohydrates ever since the dawn of men. It's part of our identity as omnivores. I'm curious to hear a list of carbohydrates that humans have been eating since the dawn of men. Surely not glazed donuts. Did cavemen make bread?

The earliest evidence of flour production is 30,000 years ago, well into the Paleolithic, so yes, cavemen did make bread. Also, the first crops to be domesticated were grain crops.

a source for the claim: http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/fall-2015/article/scien...
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