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The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

Can you link the sources for your claims? I'm asking sincerely, as I'm sure people interested in the topic will want to see the research.

Not OP but I think the burden of proof is on the people saying an entire macronutrient group is bad.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

#42

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

So what specifically is it about processed and synthetic food that makes them unhealthy, because saying 'processed' alone doesn't give an indication of a fundamental problem. Some would say it is the lack of fiber.

It's basically the lack of fiber, but it can also be the lack of micronutrients. That being said, you can absolutely have a healthy diet that has a fair amount of processed food in it.

Edit: as a side note I love your username :)

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... the fast should begin around 5pm ... there is no reason to have big dinners which are ridiculous Actually there is a very big reason for why your advice is harmful, for me at least, but I suspect that for others as well. At 5pm I'm still at work, which means that whatever meal I'll have will be fast food and not a home cooked meal. But even more problematic is that dinner is also the perfect opportunity to sit…

The American overweight problem is cultural and not an issue with eating high or low glycemic foods like the article states. If losing weight is an issue for someone. They are better off having a larger second meal and a smaller third meal even if that third meal is at 9 or 10pm so they can enjoy it with family or after work. The idea is not to have more blood sugar than then the liver can store as glycogen at bed ti…

It really really doesn't matter how you time your calories.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

#44

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

Can you link the sources for your claims? I'm asking sincerely, as I'm sure people interested in the topic will want to see the research.

If you're interested, the book Big Fat Surprise talks a great deal about how fat (other than trans fat) isn't bad for you.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Fat-Surprise-Healthy/dp/145162...

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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I am particularly excited for the rise of easier genome sequencing and the role that will play in nutritional advice for individuals. The more we learn about genes and how people react differently to different foods the more intrigued I am by the idea of an "optimal" diet only being achieved on a person-by-person level.

I would say that's maybe 1/3 of what we need to know to accomplish your objective.

The other thirds are the 100 trillion microbes that make up your microbiome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiota), and the fact that we still don't know hardly anything about the relationship of various foods and how we eat them to health. Especially since different genomes and microbiomes make this particularly difficult for quality research.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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How about we stop "fearing" certain foods and just eat a reasonably varied diet that is calorie restricted? Or if you want to simply lose weight, just calorie restricted. Or do I have to bring up the people who have lived on nothing but twinkies or McD for a month and stil lost weight?

Very often, broad calorie restriction leads to constant hunger and even malnutrition, and isn't sustainable over a lifetime. It makes a lot more sense usually to restrict sugary/refined carbs– soda, donuts, bread, buns, etc.

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

#47

The role of liver function and glycogen should be included in this conversation.[1] There might be a lot more at work than just elevated blood sugar levels. In most normal people, meaning without diabetes and other metabolism problems, the liver doesn't immediately convert sugar to fat. Rather extra sugar is converted to glycogen which can be easily accessed for energy. What happens when a runner carbo loads the nigh…

Perhaps the strategy should be to eat when hungry and abstain when not hungry. (Americans tend to be good at the former but not the latter.) A one-size-fits-all approach to meal timing is not practical or effective. > There is no reason to have readily available sugars while sleeping Night time is when humans are most hormonally active, and going to bed with an energy surplus will help engender a more anabolic state.

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Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

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It sill blows my mind how little we know about our body. We are aiming to sent someone to Mars, but we can't figure out what to eat. It seems the best default is to try to simulate what we've been eating for a past 50000 years and modify accordingly. When I first tried slow carb diet I lost 5kg in 3 weeks and my general well being improved. I tried it again, but the effect wasn't that strong.

There's a massive amount of politics and bias involved in "what to eat."

Correct. Big sugar in particular is the major influence to watch out for. They used to literally have ads suggesting that people eat sugar as a pick-me-up: http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/uploads/2012/08/sugar-ads1.jp...

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... the fast should begin around 5pm ... there is no reason to have big dinners which are ridiculous Actually there is a very big reason for why your advice is harmful, for me at least, but I suspect that for others as well. At 5pm I'm still at work, which means that whatever meal I'll have will be fast food and not a home cooked meal. But even more problematic is that dinner is also the perfect opportunity to sit…

The American overweight problem is cultural and not an issue with eating high or low glycemic foods like the article states. If losing weight is an issue for someone. They are better off having a larger second meal and a smaller third meal even if that third meal is at 9 or 10pm so they can enjoy it with family or after work. The idea is not to have more blood sugar than then the liver can store as glycogen at bed ti…

> The American overweight problem is cultural and not an issue with eating high or low glycemic foods like the article states.

Why not both?

Re: The Fats You Don’t Need to Fear, and the Carbs That You Do

#50

> It’s really important to distinguish between healthy fats and bad fats, healthy carbs and bad carbs What a bunch of crap. They said the same thing about cholesterol after fucking up monumentally and the history repeats itself over and over again. Just man up, recognize how incompetent you are, how your non-scientific advice has been hurting people over the past 50 years and switch jobs because the science you're pr…

> Humans have been eating fats and carbohydrates ever since the dawn of men. It's part of our identity as omnivores.

I'm curious to hear a list of carbohydrates that humans have been eating since the dawn of men. Surely not glazed donuts. Did cavemen make bread?

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