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The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

Or my personal favorite in Sacramento, roundabout with some stop signs sprinkled in. I hear horns and accidents daily...

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5801855,-121.4694376,3a,75y,...

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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post #11
post #6

I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

Or my personal favorite in Sacramento, roundabout with some stop signs sprinkled in. I hear horns and accidents daily... https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5801855,-121.4694376,3a,75y,...

That's not really a roundabout though, it's a traffic circle, which is a replacement for speed bumps. I have one of those near my house in Sacramento as well.

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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Wow I can't even. I live in Carmel, IN - basically the roundabout capital of USA. We just built our 100th roundabout and have several more near completion. Love them. Far better than traffic lights.

So weird to see the reason we have them is due to our Mayor visiting England many years ago. Now they are going the other way. Did their mayor or someone visit us and fell in love with traffic lights?

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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"Cyclists have a demonstrably harder time with roundabouts."

As the text acknowledges, a lot depends on the design of the roundabout. Just last week, we got https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/explaining-the..., which explains the current thinking of the dutch on roundabout design.

Also, roundabouts have become more popular, but traffic deaths certainly haven't gone up in the Netherlands (https://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Road_fatalities...).

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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The question should be, what is best for this particular intersection in the near future? The two designs have different characteristics. My understanding is that roundabouts are best when traffic is low, when it gets heavy they become much less efficient. Lights, while a lot of overhead in low traffic, scale better. There's also the question of space required. Since the UK may have too many roundabouts due to traffi…

They also seem pretty OK when traffic is moderate, but only in one direction. The minor flow direction pays a price but the dominant flow direction is largely unimpinged compared to a stop light or four-way stop.

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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post #11
post #6

I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

Or my personal favorite in Sacramento, roundabout with some stop signs sprinkled in. I hear horns and accidents daily... https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5801855,-121.4694376,3a,75y,...

Live in Sacramento, the half-roundabouts drive me crazy. Here's another:

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6759386,-121.5367581,3a,90y,...

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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post #11
post #6

I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

Or my personal favorite in Sacramento, roundabout with some stop signs sprinkled in. I hear horns and accidents daily... https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5801855,-121.4694376,3a,75y,...

Wait. Is that a 2-way stop? That looks dangerous as hell. If I come upon a stop sign with a island in the middle of the intersection, it is easy to assume that everyone has to stop.

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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post #11
post #6

I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

Or my personal favorite in Sacramento, roundabout with some stop signs sprinkled in. I hear horns and accidents daily... https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5801855,-121.4694376,3a,75y,...

There are some of these in Palo Alto, as well. I don't think they tend to result in accidents, but I never really understood the point of putting a stop sign on a roundabout.

If I remember correctly, the justification of these here is that they are better for bikes than 4-way stops (which is true, but they're probably not the optimal solution).

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4420644,-122.1552851,3a,75y,...

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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post #6

I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

It depends where you live. Personally, I love roundabouts and so does my city.

Re: The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

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post #6

I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.

Exactly... it's almost an intermediate step... too many locations move from 2/4-way stops straight to lights, when they rarely see enough traffic to really justify it... I think more rural and suburban locations are probably best for this...

If you have more than 2 lanes of traffic in either direction, they're a bad idea... I've seen them used pretty well for certain highway on/off ramps too.

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