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Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by blfr »

0x49 wrote: post #5

Im more concerned with social censorship and the mob mentality that seems to be determining justice. If you say something that is not politically correct or against the current narrative, you will get fired/bullied/harrassed/silenced/all three. Without honesty, there will be no progress. I shouldnt be afraid of posting my opinions and expressing my freedom of speech because i might lose my livelihood. But its the sad…

There's a more straightforward censorship here as well: abusing the report functionality. Most of these are automatic so anyone with enough followers can easily exploit this mechanism and get other people locked out.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

#52

Post by jsprogrammer »

itistoday2 wrote: post #37
jsprogrammer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't use networks that don't share their code. Don't use networks that hold your data and don't give you raw access to it. Share directly with your friends instead of a large corporation. Edit: Instead of downmods, please post reasons why you should use networks run with secret codes and which suck your data into their proprietary databases.

HN is known for its inability to downvote properly. Gave you an upvote. :)

Thanks. I know :) Unfortunately, others have since come and bumped the comment back down.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by jsprogrammer »

krapp wrote: post #40
jsprogrammer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't use networks that don't share their code. Don't use networks that hold your data and don't give you raw access to it. Share directly with your friends instead of a large corporation. Edit: Instead of downmods, please post reasons why you should use networks run with secret codes and which suck your data into their proprietary databases.

I didn't downvote you, but I'm not aware of any "network" (by which I assume you mean website or application) that matches the requirements you set. Open source websites simply don't exist - as it's impossible to actually validate that the code running on a server matches whatever source code a company might distribute, and every site and application attempts to limit or control access to your data in some way. Hacke…

I'm not sure I really need much code running on a server that I don't control. I could just share my data directly with those people I want to, instead of handing it off to FB to catalog and exploit.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by 0x49 »

aluhut wrote: post #11
0x49 wrote: post #5

Im more concerned with social censorship and the mob mentality that seems to be determining justice. If you say something that is not politically correct or against the current narrative, you will get fired/bullied/harrassed/silenced/all three. Without honesty, there will be no progress. I shouldnt be afraid of posting my opinions and expressing my freedom of speech because i might lose my livelihood. But its the sad…

We had a guy fired basically because he was an islamophobe. He was annoying people with his "opinion" all the time. That did not work out pretty well with all the other colleges so he did not get jobs. Nobody wanted to work with him. His chargeability was messed up and then he was gone. I'm pretty OK with that. Generalizations never work.

I worked for a company thatnwas owned by 2 christians. An employee, who talked about his athiest ideas all the time, was fired for the same reason (many coworkers were christian) Are you also okay with this??

My brother works with a guy that talks about islam contantly, to the point that it makes many people in the company feel uncomfortable. Should this person be fired?

i would have no problem if we gave equality to all, but its just not happening.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by 0x49 »

JanneVee wrote: post #30
guelo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incomprehensible to me that someone would be more concerned about being able to, for example, make fun of fat people without being treated as an asshole, than censorship of our mass media on issues of national security. Sorry but that's like first world dumb teenager problems to me.

That is some mental gymnastics you are displaying. It is not the argument 0x49 is making. It is allowing people to dissent from mainstream opinion in e.g. gay marriage without a threat to their livelihood.

This is exactly correct. You arent allowed to disagree with pretty much anything mainstream these days publically without suffering huge consequences.

The people that do successfully have the power, which means enough money that a firing doesnt matter.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by netik »

All of you are misinterpreting Twitter's "features" here.

Most likely the root cause of this is an internal feature at Twitter called "per-country takedown."

If someone from Germany asked (and had a valid court order) that the Tweet be taken down for German users, then Twitter has the ability to disable the Tweet for people coming from German IPs.

I don't agree with this, I lobbied heavily against it while I worked there to no avail, but it's a solid explanation for why you wouldn't be able to see a Tweet in different regions.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by olefoo »

This is not at all surprising in that censorship is one of the few viable business models for a 'free-to-play' social network.

Defusing and diffusing social movements before they get traction is something many organizations with money are going to find appealing whether or not it works...

Facebook understands this quite well and is the canonical example of the model; but if you don't think that "Steering the conversation" is a core value proposition for privately operated social networks ( including Hacker News ) that are free to the general public; you are naive.

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by teddyh »

DasIch wrote: post #45
SFLemonade wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This so true and a major concern. The next wave of highly effective propaganda and thought control could very easily manifest itself through this. Today, people know better than to blindly believe the news media. If information is coming from a single entity, it could be pushing an agenda, so take it with a grain of salt. We all know that. But when it appears to come from a community, that's entirely different. It se…

Germany does not intend to silence anti-refugee posts. Germany wants to stop illegal incitement of hatred. Such as promoting or even threatening to burn down asylum centers, to hurt or even kill refugees and those that help them. Those are not just words, asylum centers are being burned to the ground, refugees are attacked, just recently some were killed on the border the EU, just yesterday someone tried and almost s…

“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”

— Widely attributed to H. L. Mencken

Re: Adventures in Twitter Censorship [pdf]

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Post by aluhut »

0x49 wrote: post #54
aluhut wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a guy fired basically because he was an islamophobe. He was annoying people with his "opinion" all the time. That did not work out pretty well with all the other colleges so he did not get jobs. Nobody wanted to work with him. His chargeability was messed up and then he was gone. I'm pretty OK with that. Generalizations never work.

I worked for a company thatnwas owned by 2 christians. An employee, who talked about his athiest ideas all the time, was fired for the same reason (many coworkers were christian) Are you also okay with this?? My brother works with a guy that talks about islam contantly, to the point that it makes many people in the company feel uncomfortable. Should this person be fired? i would have no problem if we gave equality to…

Yes. I'm OK with it for the same reasons.

Guy is interrupting business. If people don't want to be around him. He needs to go. The company is not there for you to spread your theist or atheist ideas. Keep it to your private life where it belongs to.

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