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U.S. Will Require Drones to Be Registered

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It happens in every area. If there weren't malicious programmers, we wouldn't have to spend CPU cycles on anti-viruses and firewalls. If there weren't for SPAM, e-mail communication would be more enjoyable, etc.

By definition, ~50% of the population has below average intelligence.

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Would you apply the same logic to cars? Because I think all of your points apply equally to cars, but nobody seems to object to the idea of both registering them and requiring a license to drive.

> nobody seems to object to the idea of both registering them and requiring a license to drive. I do. It feels so liberating not to have to do those things in countries with corrupt + ineffective policing.

Then you probably wouldn't mind if someone hit you while rushing through the city at 100MPH.

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I'm wondering how this will be implemented. If used recreationally, they're R/C flying models, no matter how much the DJI marketing dept likes the term. So will the the hobby that has been fine for decades be hit too? Will you have to register a Cheerson CX-Stars that weighs 8g? What about the congressional Special Rule for Model Aircraft? "Technically it's not the FAA so we can regulate everything!" or what? They're…

Austria's drone law basically is making differences by weight and purpose of flight. I expect it to be similar. Heavy drones and sith purpose of filming require a flight picense light which means you are aware of regulations and will follow them.

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One thing about the RPV/Quadcopter debate that is rarely mentioned is the reason why they don't use ADS-B transponders. The FAA requires ADS-B trasponders to have high accuracy GPS, and that pushes the cost to over $2,000 per device. It would be logical for the FAA to relax the GPS requirement slightly, so a cheap GPS module is sufficient to alert nearby aircraft of RPV activity over a certain altitude (eg. 200ft AGL…

>that pushes the cost to over $2,000 per device.

Sounds like a market that is ripe for disruption. $2,000 cannot be remotely close to the cost of production. This price is the result of having a small, wealthy customer base that is required by law to purchase it. If someone introduces one with pricing that reflects both the cost of production and a dramatically expanded customer base, that company will make a ton of money.

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I'm wondering how this will be implemented. If used recreationally, they're R/C flying models, no matter how much the DJI marketing dept likes the term. So will the the hobby that has been fine for decades be hit too? Will you have to register a Cheerson CX-Stars that weighs 8g? What about the congressional Special Rule for Model Aircraft? "Technically it's not the FAA so we can regulate everything!" or what? They're…

The registration will probably only apply to drones of a certain gross weight. I'm guessing it'll be somewhere around 20 lb, given that's how much the frozen turkeys weigh that they use for birdstrike testing.

Probably a lot less. While an airliner will probably survive a 20lb object in the engines I don't think they would be very keen on having that happen.

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They probably should require all birds to be geolocated as well... since they present about the same level of danger to real aircrafts..

Is this true? Does anyone have evidence of this claim? I hear it a lot, but I don't know. Many "drones" are build with super-tough carbon fiber frames. Additionally, LiPo batteries (very common in quad copters) can be quite hazardous. Combine these together and toss one into a running jet engine - I don't believe the danger would be "about the same" as a bird.

Wikipedia has that bird strikes "cause annual damages that have been estimated at $400 million within the United States of America alone and up to $1.2 billion to commercial aircraft worldwide."

So far drone strikes (excluding deliberate military stuff) have caused damages of $0 I think.

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Seriously: why?

Pretty easy. The privilege granted by registration can be linked to other things. So when Mr. Dumbass decides to buy more beer instead of paying for insurance, and subsequently rear ends your car, you are screwed as a motorist. The requirement for registration and insurance tied to a drivers license makes the driving environment work for the vast majority of people. The same thing applies to drones. When some jackass…

I was questioning the arrest and seizure over a mere paperwork error. Bad behavior, sure, but not for mere want of documentation.

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The sales volume of consumer GPS units, however, is extremely large; if there is any pure software improvement to be made, even if the benefit for those devices is quite low, I'd expect it to be commonplace. Does anyone have a citation for aviation GPS using more sophisticated algorithms than consumer GPS?

Aviation stuff isn't necessarily an improvement for consumer units, though. For example, an aviation unit used for precision approaches or collision avoidance needs to detect when accuracy decreases below minimums, alert the pilot, and disable the functionality. For a consumer unit you just keep pumping out inaccurate, best-effort numbers.

Most GPS devices I've used provide a precision estimate already.

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One thing about the RPV/Quadcopter debate that is rarely mentioned is the reason why they don't use ADS-B transponders. The FAA requires ADS-B trasponders to have high accuracy GPS, and that pushes the cost to over $2,000 per device. It would be logical for the FAA to relax the GPS requirement slightly, so a cheap GPS module is sufficient to alert nearby aircraft of RPV activity over a certain altitude (eg. 200ft AGL…

>that pushes the cost to over $2,000 per device. Sounds like a market that is ripe for disruption. $2,000 cannot be remotely close to the cost of production. This price is the result of having a small, wealthy customer base that is required by law to purchase it. If someone introduces one with pricing that reflects both the cost of production and a dramatically expanded customer base, that company will make a ton of…

Just like medical devices or military hardware don't cost X to manufacture the cost is in the degree of certification required. Your MVP might look like it does all the same stuff but it is about proving things like mean time between failure, climatic conditions it can operate in etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that pushes the cost to over $2,000 per device. Sounds like a market that is ripe for disruption. $2,000 cannot be remotely close to the cost of production. This price is the result of having a small, wealthy customer base that is required by law to purchase it. If someone introduces one with pricing that reflects both the cost of production and a dramatically expanded customer base, that company will make a ton of…

Just like medical devices or military hardware don't cost X to manufacture the cost is in the degree of certification required. Your MVP might look like it does all the same stuff but it is about proving things like mean time between failure, climatic conditions it can operate in etc.

In this case, any up-front costs, such as certification and R&D, can be amortized over each unit sold in the dramatically expanded market. If the market suddenly goes from a few thousand units per year to a few hundred thousand, the contribution that each unit sold must make to recoup up-front costs gets very close to zero.
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