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I wonder if this is why fasting may be healthy: it flushes marginal cells.
Interesting, but do you have any evidence that fasting is healthy?
Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
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Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#12Every 5 or 10 years there is a big study that gives rise to a health fad: antioxidants, low fat, high fat, low carb, no carb, complex carbs, red wine, ... These are then almost predictably found to either be bunk or gross oversimplification 5 or 10 years later. You would think the scientific and medical establishment would realize after a while that there must be something deeply wrong with their whole approach to th…
Same could be said about software tools and software methodologies. Yes industries are making money by pimping this stuff but at the same time, I think it still counts as progress in that it contributes to our knowledge of how things work and give you more options for dealing with a problem. In both software and health, mature professionals are going to be able to incorporate this new fad into their work in a reasonable and considered way. The general public - not so much.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#13Every 5 or 10 years there is a big study that gives rise to a health fad: antioxidants, low fat, high fat, low carb, no carb, complex carbs, red wine, ... These are then almost predictably found to either be bunk or gross oversimplification 5 or 10 years later. You would think the scientific and medical establishment would realize after a while that there must be something deeply wrong with their whole approach to th…
Not in this case, this is a context issue, not to mention one that's been known for decades WRT to Vitamin C.
In the context of normal health, anti-oxidants sure seem to be a good thing.
In the context of cancer, well, you don't want healthy cancer cells! The rules change, quite a bit.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#14Every 5 or 10 years there is a big study that gives rise to a health fad: antioxidants, low fat, high fat, low carb, no carb, complex carbs, red wine, ... These are then almost predictably found to either be bunk or gross oversimplification 5 or 10 years later. You would think the scientific and medical establishment would realize after a while that there must be something deeply wrong with their whole approach to th…
Well, scientists release studies, which are far from conclusive. Various industries use them to advertise to people who don't understand that studies mean nothing.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#15Makes total sense. Free radicals are thought to damage a cell and turn in cancerous. Antioxidants mitigate the number of free radicals so the rate of damage is lower, but once cancer is occurring, antioxidants aren't going to do anything to prevent the spread of cancer. In this experiment, cancer was transferred directly showing that AO actually hinders the bodies ability to fight cancer. Could free radicals actually…
Is that what they're saying ? My understanding of the case against antioxidants is that thefree radicals (etc.) are an essential cell signaling mechanism ... and the signal is "kill me, I'm a bad cell". If you somehow disrupt or eliminate the signal, you allow bad, or inefficient, or perhaps cancerous cells to live longer than they would otherwise. I'm paraphrasing directly from the excellent, excellent book _Power,…
Thanks for the reading recommendation--that book looks fantastic.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#16For anyone that's curious, the article is here: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/natu... I'd complain about the WSJ's practice of not properly referencing the study, but I'm afraid that's becoming about as played out as the complaints about paywalls.
The headline points to the Washington Post, not the WSJ. Did someone change it?
No, I think the GP meant WP.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#17Every 5 or 10 years there is a big study that gives rise to a health fad: antioxidants, low fat, high fat, low carb, no carb, complex carbs, red wine, ... These are then almost predictably found to either be bunk or gross oversimplification 5 or 10 years later. You would think the scientific and medical establishment would realize after a while that there must be something deeply wrong with their whole approach to th…
This is not the fault of the scientific and medical establishment. They investigate phenomenon and publish what they can learn. The media does a poor job in explaining the subtleties of what they have learned, and food and supplement companies latch on to these misunderstandings to market "health" products.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#18Every 5 or 10 years there is a big study that gives rise to a health fad: antioxidants, low fat, high fat, low carb, no carb, complex carbs, red wine, ... These are then almost predictably found to either be bunk or gross oversimplification 5 or 10 years later. You would think the scientific and medical establishment would realize after a while that there must be something deeply wrong with their whole approach to th…
This is not the fault of the scientific and medical establishment. They investigate phenomenon and publish what they can learn. The media does a poor job in explaining the subtleties of what they have learned, and food and supplement companies latch on to these misunderstandings to market "health" products.
Right and people are always looking for a quick fix and "just a pill to take". My understanding is that how nutrition affects the body is a poorly understood complex mechanism and isn't as simple as all fat is bad or all carbs are bad or red meat is poison. Keeping a diversified diet that is rich in real food and very little processed food is a good thing. Exercising is a good thing. Beyond that it seems like micro-optimizations with very little benefit.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
#19It is widely believed that antioxidant supplements interfere with chemotherapy treatments, but it seems to be controversial subject. A relative of mine just started chemotherapy treatments and the doctors recommended avoiding antioxidants.
Re: Scientists think antioxidants may make cancer cells spread faster
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I wonder if this is why fasting may be healthy: it flushes marginal cells.
Interesting, but do you have any evidence that fasting is healthy?