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Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by ekianjo »

peeters wrote: post #11

> While switching to a new OS, especially Windows 10 is definitely a good move Who is claiming this? Maybe for hardware known to have good Windows 10 support it's a good move. For me, I've had more blue screens in the last month than I had in the 10 years before that. Lots of poor driver support (fingerprint reader doesn't work, touchpad reverts settings after every boot, crashes). The user experience is an upgrade f…

> The user experience is an upgrade from my perspective, but the upgrade has been anything but painless.

Especially the spying experience is an upgrade. Thanks to the excellent relationship between the NSA and Microsoft. Nice try, Nadella, to make us believe Microsoft has changed.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by stephengillie »

everyone wrote: post #7

I'm assuming this didnt apply to enterprise customers? The move from xp to 7 was a big deal for IT departments everywhere. I cant imagine them moving on from 7 anytime soon.

Windows 7/8/8.1 Enterprise don't have the upgrade option. I installed Win8 Enterprise over a year ago, it's never mentioned an upgrade.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by brazzledazzle »

peeters wrote: post #11

> While switching to a new OS, especially Windows 10 is definitely a good move Who is claiming this? Maybe for hardware known to have good Windows 10 support it's a good move. For me, I've had more blue screens in the last month than I had in the 10 years before that. Lots of poor driver support (fingerprint reader doesn't work, touchpad reverts settings after every boot, crashes). The user experience is an upgrade f…

I don't even bother upgrading Windows on laptops. It's better to wait until all of the drivers are fully supported by the manufacturer then do a clean install. I don't know what Microsoft is thinking. Laptops are incredibly fragile from a driver perspective because of all the non-standard and model specific things they do.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by stephengillie »

Asmod4n wrote: post #25

This "free" upgrade is currently disabled on "Pro" Versions of Windows. If anything like this happens on those versions a lot of business might get into trouble.

Enterprise version, actually. Pro still pushes the upgrade.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by brazzledazzle »

scrollaway wrote: post #31
peeters wrote: post #11

> While switching to a new OS, especially Windows 10 is definitely a good move Who is claiming this? Maybe for hardware known to have good Windows 10 support it's a good move. For me, I've had more blue screens in the last month than I had in the 10 years before that. Lots of poor driver support (fingerprint reader doesn't work, touchpad reverts settings after every boot, crashes). The user experience is an upgrade f…

When I installed windows 10 last week I had the .. pleasure... to look at the various privacy options. During the installation, Windows uses weasel words to present the user with privacy settings hiding the option to change them at all. Take a look: https://jonathan.porta.codes/images/posts/2015/07/window-10-... In "express settings": * Send contact, calendar and input data to Microsoft * Send typing and inking data…

>P2P share windows updates with any windows computer on the internet

I'm not sure that concerns me since they're doing signature verification on the data before doing anything with it.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by walterbell »

sigzero wrote: post #22
maratd wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable the Windows Update service. Microsoft will never bother you again and you can have your exact, perfected experience for all eternity.

As your system becomes a zombie on some bot-net.

Security-only updates can be installed manually, after careful review.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by ksml »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #9
jrockway wrote: post #6

On the one hand, Microsoft gets criticized for abandoning millions of machines by dropping support for XP. Then, Microsoft gets criticized for not letting that happen with Windows 7 and 8 by keeping them up to date. Do people tend to complain about Chrome's auto updates?

OS upgrades aren't directly comparable to automatically-updating software. They bring big changes and break compatibility. In the case of Windows 10, it merges two UI paradigms together. When software updates itself, it doesn't typically hop to the next major version, anyway. Chrome and evergreen software like it are exceptions. This is especially true for Windows, which doesn't have a seamless upgrade process.

Not only is there an issue of the user interface changing significantly, but there are also driver issues when manufacturers are slow to release updated drivers (big problems for older devices). Anecdotal, but I have heard many people complain of increased blue screens.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by ebbv »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #65
scrollaway wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I installed windows 10 last week I had the .. pleasure... to look at the various privacy options. During the installation, Windows uses weasel words to present the user with privacy settings hiding the option to change them at all. Take a look: https://jonathan.porta.codes/images/posts/2015/07/window-10-... In "express settings": * Send contact, calendar and input data to Microsoft * Send typing and inking data…

>P2P share windows updates with any windows computer on the internet I'm not sure that concerns me since they're doing signature verification on the data before doing anything with it.

I think you're missing the point of concern here. That would be one, but let's just hope that Microsoft is smart enough to validate the data gotten from P2P updates.

That still brings up the issue that Microsoft is leveraging my broadband connection, my power and my computer(s) that I pay for to issue updates to their customers without even asking. That's not ok.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by SyneRyder »

port6667 wrote: post #44

I guess i'm the only one who's happy enough with Windows 10. What i'm not happy about is lazy companies not making updated drivers for Win10. TP-Link i'm looking at you

I've been very happy with Windows 10, it has completely revitalised some 9 year old hardware I still have. But I've been very lucky, I can't expect manufacturers to keep writing drivers for free for a decade. Seems that if Microsoft wants to keep consumers upgrading, they also need to continue driver compatibility so the old hardware still runs.

Re: Microsoft Removes the Option to Opt Out of Windows 10 Free Upgrade?

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Post by tajen »

compbio wrote: post #38

This would run afoul of the European 'cookie law' (the name is a bit of a misnomer as it applies to more than just cookies). In short: Microsoft needs express permission to store/modify files on my computer. It will probably be spun like Windows 10 is a security update to old OS's, but that is simply not sincere. Given the problematic privacy/sharing/phone-home settings on Windows 10 one can hardly call it a security…

The total of fines Microsoft has already faced from the European Commission is €2bn. It's mostly for forgetting to give the browser choice in Vista, if I remember well, after doing it properly in XP, and for not publishing the documentation of an API. On the other hand, given automatic upgrades are now a habit, and given Microsoft's monopoly is on a very narrower market (so, not sure it's a monopoly), I'm not sure they can be pursued, if the story is confirmed. Unless we also pursue Chrome's automatic updates.
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