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Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Jemmeh »

kbenson wrote: post #41
Nadya wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media. I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hi…

Let's not forget that getting someone in trouble and/or threatening harm/death are not the same thing as actually causing physical harm, and that is not the same as actually causing death. Just because someone is part of the underworld doesn't mean they have no qualms about ordering someone's death, and the only thing holding them back is the money.

Enough people get swatted (waste of money, some people can die, etc) that you can't just write it off, either. Krebs has been swatted before, too.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by rnovak »

gtrubetskoy wrote: post #50

'(“cc” is a reference to credit cards)' - CC (and MUXACC1) is not a reference to credit cards, it's a reference to the Tsetse Fly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsetse_fly which spreads Sleeping Sickness - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_trypanosomiasis - for whatever reason it's part of the Russian folklore used as a metaphor for something particularly nasty. Edit: (thanks rnovak!) apparently "cc" in thecc[dot]…

Uh, he's referring to thecc[dot]bz which is a carding forum, which literally refers to credit cards (and is extremely common[1][2]). That excerpt is also nowhere near the MUXACC1 reference.

[1] http://www.acronymfinder.com/Credit-Card-(CC).html

[2] https://books.google.com/books?id=lGC2AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT48&lpg=P...

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by breischl »

pierrec wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?

Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, som…

It's not like the prosecution would've been secret if only Krebs had kept his mouth shut. The indictment and eventual verdict are public, and probably Google-able. It will show up in criminal records searches, just like it would for anyone else who had been at the sharp end of the justice system.

At worst Krebs raised the guy's profile a bit. But when he gets out of prison in 20 or 30 years it won't make much difference.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by vox_mollis »

klodolph wrote: post #10
icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Seems quite the loophole. So a law enforcement agency could, in theory, be able to hire private contractors that then obtain admissible evidence that would otherwise be inadmissible if the LEA did it themselves? Do I understand this correctly?

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Jtsummers »

vox_mollis wrote: post #64
klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Seems quite the loophole. So a law enforcement agency could, in theory, be able to hire private contractors that then obtain admissible evidence that would otherwise be inadmissible if the LEA did it themselves? Do I understand this correctly?

They can't employ them to do illegal things. They'd have to have some sort of plausible deniability. If they did, the private contractor would be acting as an agent of the government. If they circumvented this by creating some cover story and payments from some other sources, then they might get it into courts, but if it came to light it'd be thrown out (and the agents/agency involved would likely end up in some degree of trouble).

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Retra »

nkurz wrote: post #44
tptacek wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real world isn't Reddit. There is no "no-doxxing" rule in reality.

Pierre isn't complaining that a "rule" has been broken. He's asking about the future benefit or harm to society caused by the public shaming. If 'Fly' isn't going to be put to death (I don't think you are arguing for that?), there's a likelihood that someday he will emerge from jail and be expected to re-enter society. Pierre's question is whether the treatment of 'Fly' now puts the world in a better or worse positio…

If he's going to successfully re-enter society, one would imagine he would have to actually be ashamed of what he's done.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by andrewpi »

vox_mollis wrote: post #64
klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Seems quite the loophole. So a law enforcement agency could, in theory, be able to hire private contractors that then obtain admissible evidence that would otherwise be inadmissible if the LEA did it themselves? Do I understand this correctly?

No, if someone is acting as an 'agent' of law enforcement, the evidence would be excluded via the exclusionary rule just the same as if the evidence was collected directly by the police themselves.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by carlob »

mmanfrin wrote: post #19

Payment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.

Yeah, it's a bit dangerous, but it's one of the most beautiful cities I've been to. I guess it's easy to be scammed as a foreigner, but I've spent quite some time in Naples and I've never been bothered by anyone. On the other hand that's not something I can say of a supersafe place like Paris.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by walshemj »

pierrec wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?

Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, som…

Public shaming this isn't some naughty child in a cute 50's Norman Rockwell painting

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by neckro23 »

CPLX wrote: post #51
pierrec wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, som…

> whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. This concept is also often referred to by it's more common name: "journalism"

I've been pondering this distinction lately. We recognize that doxxing, etc. are Definitely Bad Things but that's exactly what journalists have always done.

It's a matter of degree and intent, of course, but there's an awfully blurry line in-between.

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