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A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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"Hard drive from junk shop found to be from an old facebook server" I do wonder how digital archiving will work in the future. Hopefully something better than "the archive.org volunteers decided to archive it"

You tell archive.org how often to archive a URL. So its not really up to their volunteers but the general population.

What are the odds that archive.org will be around in 137 years?

The best bet would be the Library of Congress.

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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I might give them a tip if I'm a regular customer, but it's not as obligatory as tipping waiters. I think it is customary to tip the dealer when gambling, though.

Tipping is very dependent on the local customs, tipping a waiter in Germany for example (especially in the more rural areas, or traditional restaurants) will be somewhere between unexpected to outright insulting. Tipping dealers in UK casinos is actually forbidden by the 'Gaming Board' (gambling commission) to discourage "cheating" since they believe that if dealers might get a cut of the winnings they might be incli…

In Austria, a small tip (keep the change, basically) seemed pretty normal, whereas almost no one tips in Italy.

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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"It has been independently appraised at $5 million..". Ba ha ha ha, maybe it's raining money in California but in my part of the world there is a saying: "It's not a fool the one who asks, it's a fool the one who offers.. [an exorbitant price for something]".

OK, ok, I get it. It's not foolishness. Appraising is actually a respectable profession and not an ingenious method of money laundering. BTW I have a very rare picture to sell. It's called "Die piggy piggy die die". At $10 million it's practically a steal !!

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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If you had bought this picture for $2 later to find out it's worth $5,000,000, would you feel an obligation to share some of the proceeds with the shop from which it was purchased?

No, but I'd probably go back to the shop and see if I missed anything else!

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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[Off Topic] I can't help but think this will help me win the internet. Here is a photograph of Billy the Kid playing croquet. Therefore my argument is valid.

Is reddit starting to migrate to HN or something? I've been seeing a lot of these types of comments recently.

Since I've never had an account on Reddit, I wouldn't know, and since I rarely post memes on HN [and this isn't that meme], nobody has being seeing a lot of such comments from me.

I submitted the article because it was intellectually interesting. I also find internet memes intellectually interesting and I find the ways and reasons that people argue on the internet intellectually interesting...which isn't the same as finding, to a first approximation, actual internet arguments interesting anymore.

Anyway, the incongruity of the subject matter in relation to popular perception of US history is particularly intellectually interesting. The Lincoln County War, like similar violent episodes in the American West indicates that any group of ordinary Americans could be cast into the role of the people standing in the way of manifest destiny's fulfilment.

History is more absurd than LoL's. Look at the photograph.

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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post #5

You must have pretty specialised knowledge to look at that photo in the junk shop and say to yourself, "You know, that might be Billy the Kid. I should get this appraised."

Now imagine, sometime, somewhere, someone got a written manuscript from Plato, or the Buddha, or another figure and just used it to make fire.

That general idea is similar to one of the themes running through Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose.

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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Yeah, this. I don't see how they could possibly verify that this is actually an image of BtK when the face is so obscured and the provenance of the image so uncertain. Kagin's is being very cagey about it too: "Any qualified individual wishing to review the authentication dossier and discuss the potential acquisition of the Billy the Kid Croquet Match Tintype are welcome to contact..."

Likely coincided with knowledge about where he was living at that point in history. This also takes place after a wedding, so that likely gave some clues if they could determine who was getting married. As well, the article mentioned that this is the first photo of him with some of his known gang members. The man to his left is quite clear, and therefore if they can identify him as an associate of Billy The Kid, perh…

The location of the wedding would probably have been recorded and the lay of the land could be verified against the current landscape. Similarly, there would be land deeds and if the road in the foreground was a public road, then that could also help identify and confirm the location.

As for the associate, my sister thought it looked liked two boys in the midst of arguing over rules and cheating in the way that older and younger brothers do...

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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I wish the article had gone into more detail about what the verification process is like.

Yeah, this. I don't see how they could possibly verify that this is actually an image of BtK when the face is so obscured and the provenance of the image so uncertain. Kagin's is being very cagey about it too: "Any qualified individual wishing to review the authentication dossier and discuss the potential acquisition of the Billy the Kid Croquet Match Tintype are welcome to contact..."

Yeah, it may only be "verified":

http://www.truewestmagazine.com/billy-the-kid-experts-weigh-...

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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post #5

You must have pretty specialised knowledge to look at that photo in the junk shop and say to yourself, "You know, that might be Billy the Kid. I should get this appraised."

Now imagine, sometime, somewhere, someone got a written manuscript from Plato, or the Buddha, or another figure and just used it to make fire.

I'm sure it's happened. If you can't read, old documents just look like perfect tinder.

Many of the documents found at Nag Hammadi were burned before anyone read them. Among the unburned was a copy of Plato's Republic (not an original, but still).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

Reading these makes me wonder what other interesting written interpretations of various religious figures were burned out of existence.

Re: A $2 photo from a California junk shop is the ‘holy grail of Western Americana’

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post #18

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"Hard drive from junk shop found to be from an old facebook server" I do wonder how digital archiving will work in the future. Hopefully something better than "the archive.org volunteers decided to archive it"

You tell archive.org how often to archive a URL. So its not really up to their volunteers but the general population.

There's a really bad problem with archive.org - that they retroactively apply robots.txt files. Simple:

    User-Agent: *
    Disallow: /
And poof, here goes history. Guess how many companies care?
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