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UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

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Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#11
If these allegations are true, then I find it hard to imagine a fair and just society arising in these countries.

It would appear to me that autocratic governments are being given additional tools to retain power and more control over young democracies which have not yet developed the institutions necessary to 'self-correct' or reverse/prevent the abuse of such tools.

In my view, it is those who are most likely to agitate for a more democratic society and create institutions that demand for accountability who will be targeted and silenced.

This will deny those countries of the very people who are needed to create the kind of country that their citizens dream of.

Imagine such tools in the hands of the British during the time of the birth of the United States.

I am left with a bitter taste in my mouth. I am not quick to see a dystopian future, but it will make it harder for needed change to come. I welcome any alternative viewpoints that can shed a kinder light on this situation.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#12

Such software should be classified as arms for export purposes.

Would you say the same about Metasploit or Wireshark? If not, where do you suggest the line be drawn?

Software that runs on your own computer is not a weapon; software that is designed to run on other people's computers without their knowledge or consent probably is. That would put Wireshark clearly on the acceptable side of the line and Metasploit in a very questionable place.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#13
The article is awfully light on what exactly was sold to the Ugandan government.

The article states the technology can be used,

"to spy on the enemy, collect data, intrude enemy systems, intercept enemy communication and also manipulate transmissions. "It can covertly be deployed in buildings, vehicles, computers, mobile phones, cameras and any other equipment deemed worthy for information extraction or surveillance."

I mean from the article it could be anything - a software interface on top of standard CCTV cameras, voice activated microphones on government and government sympathizer personal electronic devices or just a piece of analytic software for parsing through data they've already collected.

Doing a bit more digging it appears that Finfisher (the tech sold to Uganda by Gamma Group) is a spyware tool that uses common security exploits including phishing and social engineering to infect target devices and monitor them. It appears to do this in a somewhat automated, click-to-launch, way.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#14
post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

You're assuming/implying he isn't already being surveilled. For all n, n is being surveilled.

The only question at this point is whether that information is used for blackmail today, or at some point in the future. If so and so is "dangerous to state security" today, then it's today. If he's inconvenient later, then it's later.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

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post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

There was a ruling this week saying MPs can be surveilled by gchq, it'd be interesting to know where the immunity really is - the PM and his cabinet? Opposition leaders? The opposition leader? http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/gchq-allowed-to...

Oh, and David Cameron has already called the Labour party run by Corbyn a danger to national security. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-...

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#16
post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

There was a ruling this week saying MPs can be surveilled by gchq, it'd be interesting to know where the immunity really is - the PM and his cabinet? Opposition leaders? The opposition leader? http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/gchq-allowed-to... Oh, and David Cameron has already called the Labour party run by Corbyn a danger to national security. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-…

I don't think there is any immunity. Probably the only restriction is the classified material rules: there has to be some way to hold a "TOP SECRET" meeting without it going into the general surveillance bucket.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#17
post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

The establishment have already floated the idea that Corbyn is a "friend of terrorists" which they will keep in their back-pocket. Corbyn will be a financial terrorist as he wants to bring down the rentier cartel of the goverbankment.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

#18
post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

There was a ruling this week saying MPs can be surveilled by gchq, it'd be interesting to know where the immunity really is - the PM and his cabinet? Opposition leaders? The opposition leader? http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/10/gchq-allowed-to... Oh, and David Cameron has already called the Labour party run by Corbyn a danger to national security. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-…

And the day you want to cut GCHQ funding? Well just a moment minister let me play you this before you make a final decision...

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

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post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

> 'someone decides Jeremy Corbyn is "dangerous to state security"'

Tweedle-Cameron and Tweedle-May already have announced that - they're paving the way for the possibility that his popularity continues to grow, so they can first off attempt discrediting him (the volume of smear already is incredible), and if that fails, he'll be arrested for a) treason b) sedition c) paedophilia d) a parking offence in 1977 e) none of the above f) all of the above.

I think the particular dystopia we are headed for is most akin to Gilliam's Brazil, in which Kafkaesque bureaucracy, the application of technocratic principles, and a veneer of "reasonability" stifles and neuters all possible opposition.

This is the kind of discourse we hear from our politicians today, and it sends chills down my spine:

    INTERVIEWER
                         Deputy minister, what do you believe 
                         is behind this recent increase in 
                         terrorist bombings?

                                     HELPMANN
                         Bad sportsmanship. A ruthless 
                         minority of people seems to have 
                         forgotten certain good old fashioned 
                         virtues. They just can't stand 
                         seeing the other fellow win. If 
                         these people would just play the 
                         game, instead of standing on the 
                         touch line heckling

                                     INTERVIEWER
                         In fact, killing people

                                     HELPMANN
                         In fact, killing people  they'd 
                         get a lot more out of life.

          INTERVIEWER
                         Mr. Helpmann, what would you say 
                         to those critics who maintain that 
                         the Ministry Of Information has 
                         become too large and unwieldy... ?

                                     HELPMANN
                         David... in a free society 
                         information is the name of the 
                         game. You can't win the game if 
                         you're a man short.

                 INTERVIEWER
                         And the cost of it all, Deputy 
                         Minister? Seven percent of the 
                         gross national produce...

                                     HELPMANN
                         I understand this concern on behalf 
                         of the tax-payers. People want 
                         value for money and a cost-effective 
                         service.

                                     HELPMANN
                         That is why we always insist on 
                         the principle of Information 
                         Retrieval Charges. These terrorists 
                         are not pulling their weight, and 
                         it's absolutely right and fair 
                         that those found guilty should pay 
                         for their periods of detention and 
                         the Information Retrieval Procedures 
                         used in their interrogation.

Re: UK firm's surveillance kit 'used to crush Uganda opposition'

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post #9
post #8

I don't think the technology, and who sold it to whom, is the real story here. We all know that the NSA and GCHQ have similar capabilities. I imagine China, Russia and several other states do too. The point is, this power will corrupt. Consider this quote: > people deemed dangerous to state security like government officials and opposition politicians are being surveilled What happens if Labour look likely to win the…

This has likely happened before during the cold war when there were concerns that communists had infiltrated the Labour party. Harold Wilson famously believed he was being spied on throughout his term as prime minister

And in fact it turned out that they should have been looking at Cambridge and who the Queen kept company with. Whoops.
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