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The porn industry is in a bind

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Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

mindcrime wrote: post #16

Forget about the porn for a minute gang... this is, to me, the key insight in the story: VR and its cousin, “augmented reality,” are controlled by the big corporations. Facebook owns the Oculus Rift. Microsoft built the Hololens. Google does Google Glass. These will treat porn at least like Android treats porn—or maybe even like Glass treated porn when O’Connell unveiled his app. In other words, they won’t allow it t…

>the point is, we, collectively, are losing control of our use of computing and technology.

That assumes that "we collectively" were ever in control.

The reality is that these breakthrough technologies, no matter what the century, took massive amounts of money and time to become adopted and by and large they were built by the bigs in some fashion - either through license deals or direct investment from IBM, US Government etc...

Sure there have been FOSS wins, but if you look at the major technologies, basically since forever they were funded and owned by big corporations.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by rdancer »

erikb wrote: post #105
rdancer wrote: post #12

The fine article talks about the losers of the trade war. The winners are OK. If you look where the money is, it's with MindGeek (formerly known as Manwin), a company that has through the years bought bought most of the tube/cam sites, owns Brazzers and other content producers. For sure, tired unattractive content won't make it. But then you have the true artists of fucking, like James Deen, Pierre Woodman, and those…

Do people really follow porn stars? I always found the whole bunch really unattractive and their "art" as boring as early afternoon public tv programs.

It's a bell curve.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by visarga »

yarou wrote: post #8

Wired really has dropped in quality, publishing articles that state the obvious and do little to advance critical thought. Perhaps it is a sign of the times that the lack of original content has led to content-mill-esque pieces that aren't the least bit provactive or controversial.

I'm wondering why they don't mine reddit threads for ideas and then compile them into articles. I often find the comments much more interesting than the articles, so, if they filtered out good ideas they would have an inexhaustible source.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by vacri »

chinpokomon wrote: post #91
kragen wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple was usually pretty bad (though remember, the Apple I and Apple ][ were demonstrated at Homebrew before Apple even existed as a company), but in my experience, Google is a whole different level of omerta . Don't get me wrong, there are great things about both Apple and Google, but I think the secrecy thing is super corrosive. (I guess I should confess that my objectivity can probably be called into question here…

I don't know that OLPC has been crushed, it had never had a capitalistic mission. The shareholders back home aren't demanding a particular volume is met.

OLPC crushed itself. FLOSS fans were clamouring to develop for it, seeing it as a way to bring emerging minds into the OSS mindset. It created a lot of buzz. Then OLPC jumped into bed with Microsoft, and the FLOSS geeks were driven away, with no similar group of developers to replace them. OLPC made a massive miscalculation, and never regained the buzz they had back then.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by rdancer »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #36
rdancer wrote: post #12

The fine article talks about the losers of the trade war. The winners are OK. If you look where the money is, it's with MindGeek (formerly known as Manwin), a company that has through the years bought bought most of the tube/cam sites, owns Brazzers and other content producers. For sure, tired unattractive content won't make it. But then you have the true artists of fucking, like James Deen, Pierre Woodman, and those…

There was a comment posted here, that sadly got deleted. I think it raises an interesting topic. Let me reproduce it: --- > illusion of intimacy or a relationship Could that lead to sexrobots as a mass market in, say, five years? Or do you think it would go more into the VR direction? Could / should both be merged? Would that be useful? Perhaps AR would be better in that case. Thoughts on that? --- The response I tri…

VR headsets have been here since the 1990's, and nothing ever came of it, despite the tons of productions shots from the point of view of the male performer. Even 3D is extremely rare.

Better fidelity and added depth perception do not bring better illusion of intimacy. It's a red herring.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by chii »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #81
rdancer wrote: post #12

The fine article talks about the losers of the trade war. The winners are OK. If you look where the money is, it's with MindGeek (formerly known as Manwin), a company that has through the years bought bought most of the tube/cam sites, owns Brazzers and other content producers. For sure, tired unattractive content won't make it. But then you have the true artists of fucking, like James Deen, Pierre Woodman, and those…

You're absolutely right about the direction moving towards the more intimate relationship (or the illusion thereof). This trend is not limited to porn actors but everyone - youtube celebs commenting on posts, livestreaming gaming where you interact directly and the audience feels right there with the streamer. Loneliness is the largest cause of unhappiness in the developed world. Intimacy on demand is something peopl…

> Loneliness is the largest cause of unhappiness in the developed world.

that is a very good insight that i never thought about! I m sure there's billions in it for someone who can crack the case and solve it in a systematic fashion.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by mahranch »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #23
mindcrime wrote: post #16

Forget about the porn for a minute gang... this is, to me, the key insight in the story: VR and its cousin, “augmented reality,” are controlled by the big corporations. Facebook owns the Oculus Rift. Microsoft built the Hololens. Google does Google Glass. These will treat porn at least like Android treats porn—or maybe even like Glass treated porn when O’Connell unveiled his app. In other words, they won’t allow it t…

Right this moment I'm sitting in an office in the place that represents our hope, a capital of continued progress[0] - Shenzhen, China. Everything Facebook, Google and Microsoft designs gets built here (or nearby) anyway. China has a... quite healthy attitude towards copyright and trade secrets. That is, they don't give a flying fuck here. There was even a term for that, that eludes me at the moment, which described…

> Everything Facebook, Google and Microsoft designs gets built here (or nearby) anyway.

I'm going to have to disagree here. The vast majority of stuff is designed or thought up elsewhere. Things might get assembled or manufactured in Shenzhen (it is after all, the manufacturing capital of the world) but the innovations aren't coming from China. In fact, China doesn't even rate that high on manufacturing innovation (they rank 41st place). While they may manufacturer more than anyone else, the bulk of their manufacturing is low tech stuff (Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-innovative-countries/). - Scroll down to manufacturing.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by thenomad »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #36
rdancer wrote: post #12

The fine article talks about the losers of the trade war. The winners are OK. If you look where the money is, it's with MindGeek (formerly known as Manwin), a company that has through the years bought bought most of the tube/cam sites, owns Brazzers and other content producers. For sure, tired unattractive content won't make it. But then you have the true artists of fucking, like James Deen, Pierre Woodman, and those…

There was a comment posted here, that sadly got deleted. I think it raises an interesting topic. Let me reproduce it: --- > illusion of intimacy or a relationship Could that lead to sexrobots as a mass market in, say, five years? Or do you think it would go more into the VR direction? Could / should both be merged? Would that be useful? Perhaps AR would be better in that case. Thoughts on that? --- The response I tri…

Relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3ohbh9/as_a_divorce...

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by gkya »

jug wrote: post #110
erikb wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really follow porn stars? I always found the whole bunch really unattractive and their "art" as boring as early afternoon public tv programs.

I follow @stoya and @Kayden_Kross on Twitter. :D They shatter the prejudices about porn stars with almost every tweet. It's a bit weird though. To follow these smart, funny girls and then be able to switch website and see them have hardcore sex.

Smart and funny girls can't have sex?

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by petra »

chii wrote: post #116
throwaway13337 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right about the direction moving towards the more intimate relationship (or the illusion thereof). This trend is not limited to porn actors but everyone - youtube celebs commenting on posts, livestreaming gaming where you interact directly and the audience feels right there with the streamer. Loneliness is the largest cause of unhappiness in the developed world. Intimacy on demand is something peopl…

> Loneliness is the largest cause of unhappiness in the developed world. that is a very good insight that i never thought about! I m sure there's billions in it for someone who can crack the case and solve it in a systematic fashion.

I remember reading a research article about the genetic basis of loneliness, hinting of the possibility of drugs(or maybe supplements??) to reduce loneliness. Like you say, could be a big market.
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