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Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by chinpokomon »

kragen wrote: post #45
skybrian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why Google and not Apple?

Apple was usually pretty bad (though remember, the Apple I and Apple ][ were demonstrated at Homebrew before Apple even existed as a company), but in my experience, Google is a whole different level of omerta . Don't get me wrong, there are great things about both Apple and Google, but I think the secrecy thing is super corrosive. (I guess I should confess that my objectivity can probably be called into question here…

I don't know that OLPC has been crushed, it had never had a capitalistic mission. The shareholders back home aren't demanding a particular volume is met.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by chinpokomon »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #40
nicklaf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and compilers is something you can go to jail for if they see you trying to run it without credentials. I'm a little skeptical this will happen with software, but it is well underway in the case of hardware[1]. [1] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi

Software is incredibly dangerous. All the malware that spreads exists because a) you have a general-purpose computer to run it on, and b) they have a general-purpose language to write it in. By restricting a) and b) we're ensuring your safety, as well as the safety of our critical infrastructure, baking, etc. The arguments aren't actually that bad (of course we know that currently the strongest side supporting them i…

And all executable code must be signed by the register that licensed you, so the code that runs can be audited back to its creator. However, the Software Engineers Union will offer the developer some legal protection, as well as negotiating the trade wages by scale.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by chinpokomon »

imglorp wrote: post #48
mindcrime wrote: post #16

Forget about the porn for a minute gang... this is, to me, the key insight in the story: VR and its cousin, “augmented reality,” are controlled by the big corporations. Facebook owns the Oculus Rift. Microsoft built the Hololens. Google does Google Glass. These will treat porn at least like Android treats porn—or maybe even like Glass treated porn when O’Connell unveiled his app. In other words, they won’t allow it t…

I think the next big thing after VR will be sexbots, as in, per Philip K Dick, "your basic pleasure model." The pieces are almost all on the shelf and coming together. The hard part of course will be the software, with the motivation of making it an increasingly realistic companion. The Dark Matter series placed an interesting spin on it, where the "entertainment android", in addition to sex, is also specialized for…

Over my inanimate RealDoll™. Maybe you're right...

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by rdancer »

pandaman wrote: post #89
chinpokomon wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But even locked back then just meant, "locked for the typical user." We're getting to the point where like cars before us, we aren't working on Chevy small blocks anymore.

And now "locked" means something else? There is no absolutely locked hardware that I know. If Apple can update OS on their phones it's not by some magical power that nobody else can possible posses.

Get acquainted with the magic of public key cryptography code signing.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by scintill76 »

pandaman wrote: post #89
chinpokomon wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But even locked back then just meant, "locked for the typical user." We're getting to the point where like cars before us, we aren't working on Chevy small blocks anymore.

And now "locked" means something else? There is no absolutely locked hardware that I know. If Apple can update OS on their phones it's not by some magical power that nobody else can possible posses.

> If Apple can update OS on their phones it's not by some magical power that nobody else can possible posses.

Yeah, it's only signed by cryptographic keys that nobody else is likely to ever possess.

You "only" need to put in a new Boot ROM with your own key ("When an iOS device is turned on, its application processor immediately executes code from read-only memory known as the Boot ROM. [...] The Boot ROM code contains the Apple Root CA public key, which is used to verify that the Low-Level Bootloader (LLB) is signed by Apple before allowing it to load." https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf) AFAICT this ROM is probably deeply integrated into the CPU, so hopefully you have some really precise tools and/or plan to make your own replacement CPU as well.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by pandaman »

scintill76 wrote: post #95
pandaman wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now "locked" means something else? There is no absolutely locked hardware that I know. If Apple can update OS on their phones it's not by some magical power that nobody else can possible posses.

> If Apple can update OS on their phones it's not by some magical power that nobody else can possible posses. Yeah, it's only signed by cryptographic keys that nobody else is likely to ever possess. You "only" need to put in a new Boot ROM with your own key ("When an iOS device is turned on, its application processor immediately executes code from read-only memory known as the Boot ROM. [...] The Boot ROM code contai…

Ah, I guess the signed bootloader is the 100% protection. Too bad PS3 did not have one, right?

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by rdancer »

mindcrime wrote: post #16

Forget about the porn for a minute gang... this is, to me, the key insight in the story: VR and its cousin, “augmented reality,” are controlled by the big corporations. Facebook owns the Oculus Rift. Microsoft built the Hololens. Google does Google Glass. These will treat porn at least like Android treats porn—or maybe even like Glass treated porn when O’Connell unveiled his app. In other words, they won’t allow it t…

If you care about hackability, you can buy a completely open hardware development board for under $100 delivered. That's roughly $45 in 1985 US dollars.

Android device makers from China maybe haven't been told about their own inability to pump out clones. Somebody should let them know.

A VM instance from Digital Ocean costs $5/month. Go buy a dozen, and install Xenix on all of them.

All your platforms up to about 1995 have emulators that run on your phone, completely opensource, and gratis.

The devices are locked down, because the cost of unreliability can easily exceed the cost of the device, many times over, and the single biggest point of failure are trojan horses & operator errors.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rimantas wrote: post #87
mindcrime wrote: post #16

Forget about the porn for a minute gang... this is, to me, the key insight in the story: VR and its cousin, “augmented reality,” are controlled by the big corporations. Facebook owns the Oculus Rift. Microsoft built the Hololens. Google does Google Glass. These will treat porn at least like Android treats porn—or maybe even like Glass treated porn when O’Connell unveiled his app. In other words, they won’t allow it t…

So, tell me, how often did you install a new os on your smartphone, game console, VR device smart watch in the early 80s?

We wouldn't have smartphones, game consoles, VR devices or smart watches if big companies in the early 80s were pulling the shit they try to do now.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by WildUtah »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #40
nicklaf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and compilers is something you can go to jail for if they see you trying to run it without credentials. I'm a little skeptical this will happen with software, but it is well underway in the case of hardware[1]. [1] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi

Software is incredibly dangerous. All the malware that spreads exists because a) you have a general-purpose computer to run it on, and b) they have a general-purpose language to write it in. By restricting a) and b) we're ensuring your safety, as well as the safety of our critical infrastructure, baking, etc. The arguments aren't actually that bad (of course we know that currently the strongest side supporting them i…

the safety of our critical infrastructure, baking

Well, the baking industry is certainly more productive of human comfort and happiness than certain other industries demanding protection from the laws the rest of us live by -- such as finance.

Re: The porn industry is in a bind

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Post by scintill76 »

pandaman wrote: post #96
scintill76 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Apple can update OS on their phones it's not by some magical power that nobody else can possible posses. Yeah, it's only signed by cryptographic keys that nobody else is likely to ever possess. You "only" need to put in a new Boot ROM with your own key ("When an iOS device is turned on, its application processor immediately executes code from read-only memory known as the Boot ROM. [...] The Boot ROM code contai…

Ah, I guess the signed bootloader is the 100% protection. Too bad PS3 did not have one, right?

The PS3 does have a crypto key, but it was recovered by hackers because Sony reused nonces in ECDSA signatures: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.crypt/3isJl28Slr...

Apple's probably isn't susceptible, especially with the PS3 failure in recent memory.

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