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Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#11

I've never seen much point in caring about movie ratings. I find very little correlation between my own perception of a movie and the ratings; whether from "professional" critics, or the generic crowd-sourced ones. I just watch stuff that sounds interesting to me. Sure, you hit some stinkers here and there, but I find that acceptable.

so true, for me I just have a look at the wikipedia page... Reception & gross total is enough to mentally-prepare me for ANY movies that I'm going to watch

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#13

I've never seen much point in caring about movie ratings. I find very little correlation between my own perception of a movie and the ratings; whether from "professional" critics, or the generic crowd-sourced ones. I just watch stuff that sounds interesting to me. Sure, you hit some stinkers here and there, but I find that acceptable.

Similarity of reviewers to you, ratings by those people similar. Who cares what the masses think...you care about the people you trust and who have tastes most similar to yours.

Yeah, I'm just too lazy to put a lot of work into that. The best way I get personalized recommendations (for books, movies, music, whatever) is actually from Amazon.com. They recommend stuff to me based on my purchases, and stuff other people purchased who also purchased what I did. I find that their recommendations (especially for books and music) are usually pretty darn good. The only kink I find, is that the overweight recent stuff, so if I go on there today and buy 3 books on, say, the ketogenic diet, for the next $LONG_TIME, the top few books in my recommendations will be diet related... even though I've purchased 100x more books on, say, computer programming, than diet.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#14

I'm wary of any website that offers reviews for things they are also trying to sell, like those online systems for buying games (Playstation Network comes to mind). Why would a profit-driven enterprise allow anything to create a negative impression for the user? Amazon seems okay because they have such a wide variety of items: They're getting paid either way.

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Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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Rotten tomatoes usually matches my personal tastes pretty well. Their Critics Consensus summaries are pretty blunt and entertaining sometimes. Here's the one for Fantastic Four (2015). "Dull" is my favorite part. "Dull and downbeat, this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without the humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great."

The only way Rotten Tomatoes is useful is if you look only at the negative ratings. All kinds of horrible schlock that has mass appeal gets "certified fresh." But isolating negative reviews: If idiots dislike it then it's probably good; If the negative reviews sound cogent then it's probably bad.

I usually go for a metric along the lines of Chesterton's Fence: do the negative critiques seem like they're dismissing the film out-of-hand, or do they seem to show an understanding what it was going for and still think it failed to do it well? Roger Ebert was usually pretty good about this, which gives his truly scathing reviews that much more bite [1].

[1]: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/battlefield-earth-2000

my favorite bit: "The director, Roger Christian, has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras, but he has not learned why."

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#16

The think to do is find a few reviewers who resonate with you and keep tabs on them. I mostly just see what Armond White tells me to see.

Really? He's well-known for picking contrarian views just to get hits, causes problems at events, and is pretty much shunned by the film community. Even Ebert called him a "troll".

http://www.ew.com/article/2014/01/13/armond-white-kicked-out...

http://www.avclub.com/article/armond-white-claims-he-was-kic...

http://www.slashfilm.com/armond-white-prevents-toy-story-3-f...

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#17
I've noticed a trend with IMDB reviews:

* The rating will be very high around release time, then drop a point or two after a few weeks * The top 1-2 reviews will be 9-10 star. After that will follow a large number of reviews saying the movie was terrible.

I first noticed this with movies that I disliked, and couldn't believe their high imdb rating. For example, I loathed American Hustle, and it had that same pattern.

That movie was around 8.4 when first out, and had a ten star review on top. (I've now noticed the ten star review is gone.)

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#18

The think to do is find a few reviewers who resonate with you and keep tabs on them. I mostly just see what Armond White tells me to see.

Really? He's well-known for picking contrarian views just to get hits, causes problems at events, and is pretty much shunned by the film community. Even Ebert called him a "troll". http://www.ew.com/article/2014/01/13/armond-white-kicked-out... http://www.avclub.com/article/armond-white-claims-he-was-kic... http://www.slashfilm.com/armond-white-prevents-toy-story-3-f...

Ebert was an idiot and an idiot's reviewer.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#19
Anyone that reads /r/movies semi-regularly would have seen this happening a lot.

The posts there are so blatantly advertising it's insulting, though it seems the mods are in on it, they have no interest in changing anything.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

#20
Having done a little bit of work on stuff like this for Fandango a long time ago I learned a little bit about their view of customers from their marketing folks.

Their average customer is a person that sees all the big blockbuster movies. They are not discerning about what they see and they are not critical viewers.

Comparing these people's reviews to the professionals on Rotten Tomatoes is a little silly. As mentioned, Fandango has no motive to reduce the ratings, the more "must see" movies there are, the more money they make.

edit having read more of this article now, I see the issue with Fandango's rounding. Pretty lame.

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