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Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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For an example of how the fake TV world can be used to justify real world beliefs: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/06/20/justice-scalia-hearts-ja... > The Globe and Mail reported that Scalia came to the defense of Jack Bauer and his torture tactics during an Ottawa conference of international jurists and national security officials last week. During a panel discussion about terrorism, torture and the law, a Canadian ju…

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If you don't think art has an ideological function then you are my target audience. Manipulating political discourse is a major motivation for my creative activities, probably the primary one in fact - I falsify the world in order to improve upon it.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Meanwhile, a cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad resulted the deaths of 12 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo#Muhammad_cartoon...

Meanwhile, a Texas church burned the holy book of millions of Muslims.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_World_Outreach_Center_Q...

What's your point?

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And matches are perfectly safe, if you don't happen to be surrounded by flammables. The simple facts are that we have a huge amount of ignorance in the audience for this show, this show takes advantage of that (it is targeted to folks who are not informed about the places and people and groups depicted, otherwise it wouldn't take such extreme artistic license with them) and will have an effect on the views of its aud…

> And matches are perfectly safe, if you don't happen to be surrounded by flammables. My point goes back to personal responsibility. Whose fault is it if you're surrounded by flammables labeled appropriately? The analogy is that this is labeled as a "TV show" not a documentary.

It might be my fault if I put you in a room full of flammables, turn the lights out, and close the door. People who trot out the 'personal responsibility' mantra tend not to have much experience with situations in which their autonomy is curtailed. This is not to say there is no such thing as personal responsibility, but you plainly have a hard time conceiving of a context where you are not the author of your own situation.

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A native Arabic speaker here, I must say that I admire the courage and innovation of the graffiti artists and activists who chose this medium to protest and convey their message, which needless to say, that I don't necessarily endorse or share the creators' point of view. I have to admit that I haven't seen the show yet not even a single shot and I could say too that I have a very thick skin when it comes to "cultura…

Hi 'gotchange! Since you speak (and read) Arabic, could you tell what's in the top left corner of that picture[0]? Seems like hashtag-something, but it wasn't mentioned in the article. [0] - http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/10/16/world/middleeast/1...

This is most likely "جاسوس" which translates primarily to "spy" or "agent" depending on context.

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Well, it apparently can't even depict terrorists correctly, because suggesting that Al Qaeda and Hezbollah would ever work together is just ludicrous. And I can totally see why Lebanese would be pissed off at seeing Hamra street completely misrepresented in that way. And even if the show isn't supposed to depict "average Muslims", do you really think all the viewers of the show will get that nuance? If all of the Ara…

Might we also criticize the portrayal of Jews in Palestinian kids cartoons? I am not certain there are many Muslims complaining about those portrayals.

Well, yes! But you've not negated the points being made, you've merely shown that ignorance is bad no matter where or who portrays it.

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As racist as it would be if there were a US show based on how the French are scary, and no one involved with the show spoke French. It means that they are likely exclusively trading in stereotypes and Western orientialist imagery and tropes. I've never seen the show.

France is not a race. That would be xenophobia, which is a different brand of bigotry. Not speaking Arabic is a grey area -- not all Muslims are Arabic, despite the fact that the Quran is written in Arabic and only canonical in that language. There are millions and millions of Muslims who do not speak Arabic, and rely on their clergy to teach them the Quran. While it's apparently not the case here, the absence of an…

Arabs and Muslims aren't really a race either.

Arab is more or less as descriptive as French is.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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A native Arabic speaker here, I must say that I admire the courage and innovation of the graffiti artists and activists who chose this medium to protest and convey their message, which needless to say, that I don't necessarily endorse or share the creators' point of view. I have to admit that I haven't seen the show yet not even a single shot and I could say too that I have a very thick skin when it comes to "cultura…

Hi 'gotchange! Since you speak (and read) Arabic, could you tell what's in the top left corner of that picture[0]? Seems like hashtag-something, but it wasn't mentioned in the article. [0] - http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/10/16/world/middleeast/1...

Dammit, why is the reply to this showing as dead?!?

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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The producers also admire the hack. From the show's creator & executive producer: "We wish we’d caught these images before they made it to air. However, as Homeland always strives to be subversive in its own right and a stimulus for conversation, we can’t help but admire this act of artistic sabotage.” [0] [0] http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/oct/15/homeland... (edited for clarity)

... and there's the hack. It's us. If you ever needed proof of the adage that capitalism will co-opt even the most accurate and stinging criticism of it, here it is. The show was criticized as being racist and so the show appropriated that message (by hiring the "street artists" and instructing them to "go rogue") in order to sell more of the show.

This seems like a feature that would be generally selected for in types of social organization.

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Hi 'gotchange! Since you speak (and read) Arabic, could you tell what's in the top left corner of that picture[0]? Seems like hashtag-something, but it wasn't mentioned in the article. [0] - http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/10/16/world/middleeast/1...

Dammit, why is the reply to this showing as dead?!?

Probably autokilled because of spam filter false positive. Fixed now, though.
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