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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

myth_buster wrote: post #124
smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness I think it can be primarily attributed to the low income jobs being more physically and emotionally draining which result in them being sapped by the time they reach home. This can also be witnessed in the amount of nurture they can provide to their offspring. An interesting argument in one of the Quora thread about being rich was that financial freedom let'…

I think you're right, and furthermore note that low income jobs in the US rarely come with health insurance (until very recently), and also were lacking in paid sick leave. Some of these jobs will even fire you for taking unpaid sick leave. On top of all of that, although health clinics do exist which operate outside of normal working hours, the quality of care appears to be worse.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by arethuza »

thedaemon wrote: post #159
arethuza wrote: post #106

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It would definitely work in the UK as well - especially as you can tell the age of a car from the number-plate. Find a run down area and track the number of newer family cars or BMWs/Audis.

Will not work in the USA, poor black people buy new German luxury cars and live in dumps. I don't understand.

So look for Teslas?

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Post by cerrelio »

angdis wrote: post #50

My "rule-of-thumb" indicator: whether or not there are a lot of check-cashing, bail-bond and furniture rental establishments.

I wish I could find the article, but they showed that neighborhoods with check-cashing stores were lower income than those without. No mention of the others. Although I suspect bail bond offices aren't a reliable indicator of economic stability; they're more likely to indicate proximity to a courthouse. In SF, they're all on Bryant St by the criminal court. The area is slightly sketchy for obvious reasons, but the houses/condos there are probably not cheap. I've lived in 4 other cities and the majority of bail bonds places are within a block of the justice centers.

Anecdotally, I live in San Francisco and have lived in two neighborhoods. One was midway through the process of gentrification and the other is in its final stages. There were many remittance/check-cashing outlets in the former. I live in the latter now and there are 7 coffee shops within a block of me; no chicken joints at all. And the closest check-cashing store to me is about a third of a mile away on Market St.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by collyw »

5h wrote: post #61
ubernostrum wrote: post #20

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It's anecdotal, but enough reliable anecdotes do actually turn into "data". My personal marker has always been, when visiting a city for the first time, to pay attention to the roadside advertisements I see on the ride from the airport to the city center. Aside from obvious things like payday/title loan shops, the most reliable indicator I've seen of a neighborhood being badly off is ads for cheap dentures and dental…

Being london, fried chicken shops attract late night drunken folk wandering around doing what late night drunken folk will do.

Only if they are open late at night. Last time I was in London there wasn't much after a certain time.

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Post by Retra »

jqm wrote: post #139
myth_buster wrote: post #124

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Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness I think it can be primarily attributed to the low income jobs being more physically and emotionally draining which result in them being sapped by the time they reach home. This can also be witnessed in the amount of nurture they can provide to their offspring. An interesting argument in one of the Quora thread about being rich was that financial freedom let'…

It could be that, but it could also be a general approach towards life. Certainly people are born into poor circumstances and have many misfortunes. At the same time some people (for whatever reason) are just lazy, sloppy and don't take care of their lives. This approach likely produces both poverty and poor health and almost certainly entails lack of exercise. We can't excuse every bad thing that happens as an event…

Who's making excuses? Poor people often come from poor cultures -- ones that don't place value on things like jogging in the morning. That's just a fact, it isn't an excuse or a statement about personal control. And we, as a society, have the ability to influence both individual behavior and culture, so it doesn't even matter which one you want to assign blame to.

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Post by batuhanicoz »

In Istanbul, this also holds true. But you would need to switch "friend chicken" to "tavuk döner" (chicken döner) or to kebab places.

Looking for places that's gonna be "elite"? Switch coffee shops with third wave coffee shops. At least in Istanbul.

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

programmernews3 wrote: post #110
gd1 wrote: post #75

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It's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicken are associated with the African-Caribbean population. All he's done with his analysis is used two thinly disguised proxy variables to hide his true hypothesis, which may very well be a good hypothesis but is unpalatable to discuss in public.

The author of the piece should add a times series on violent crime and shootings. These should decrease with time if the area is "up and coming"...

They might spike while gentrification is ongoing, especially in the early stages. My hypothesis for this statement is that more affluent people are: 1. More likely to be robbed (ie: they have items that others want), and 2. More likely to report crimes against them to the police. (ie: They trust the authorities, and they might need police reports to file insurance claims (affluent people are more likely to insure their property))

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Post by benjsto »

fowkswe wrote: post #119

If the assumption is that fried chicken places are a relic of a poorer past, then this metric does not work for New York City. Fried chicken is the food of the moment: http://www.villagevoice.com/restaurants/the-ten-best-fried-c...

Yeah, confusingly, I live in a currently gentrifying hipster neighborhood of Minneapolis, of all places, and there is a hot new fried chicken restaurant that is always so full you have to wait 2 hours to get a table.

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Post by ghaff »

ngoel36 wrote: post #126
myth_buster wrote: post #125

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Here [0] is an analysis from America. [0] http://i.imgur.com/OGDWGbN.png

Walmarts can be 3-10x the size of Whole Foods - that's not quite fair...

I daresay there are aspects of both income distribution and other factors that favor or disfavor big box stores generally. No, a Walmarts footprint probably doesn't work for San Francisco proper but that doesn't really explain the relative lack of Walmarts in the Silicon Valley sprawl compared to the East Bay.
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