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Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

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I am always stunned of how USA are both forerunners of new technologies, and very backward as well... for credit cards with chip, digital television, gsm diffusion, etc etc... Also, in most of United States you can not get an european level ADSL.

and our chip based credit cards aren't really any more secure then they were 3 months ago

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

#53
post #38
post #5

You don't even need a TV to take advantage of this if you have a computer. You can buy a tv tuner card that will connect to your laptop and allow you to plug in an antenna to watch TV. Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1191-WinTV-HVR-955Q-Tuner-No...

I do this with Windows 7's included Media Center as a PVR. I was surprised when checking out popular "media center" software that most of it seems to concentrate on playback of videos and not support being a PVR.

Don't upgrade to 10. They killed WMC...

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

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post #51
post #42

If you're using an OTA antenna to get HDTV, this site can help you point it in the right direction to get the best signal. Just enter your ZIP code. http://www.antennaweb.org/

A much more advanced tool here. http://tvfool.com/

Nice.

Click "See which TV stations you can get on a map", then click ">> Start Maps <<" and enter your address or just the zip code. When the map appears, check the "Show lines pointing to each transmitter" checkbox for best presentation.

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

#55
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In 2010 when I lived in the San Francisco I ordered my broadband from Comcast, but I didn't pay for the TV package. I added a splitter to the Comcast coax cable, then plugged one wire into the cable modem and the other into the back of my TV. Network TV channels for no extra cost.

A year ago i canceled cable TV subscription in Germany because i had most important channels anyhow via DVB-T. I had internet subscription for years with them and was satisfied so this had to be kept working.

Knowing a bit about how these cable networks work inside the building i was curious to see how they will implement this. I thought they might have a filter for all those just having internet subscription but this could only work with certain types of wiring inside the building and also depends on access to the equipment which is not always available to them.

Then i thought they might replace the wall socket either with some filter build in or just missing plug for the TV. But again this is only possible when they are allowed to access the equipment or maintain their own. Also this seemed to be rather expensive. The basic cable package doesn't cost that much and the provider outsources all kinds of installation related tasks. I would guess using this rather weak method would pay for some years of Basic TV package subscription.

Long story short, i waited several months and nothing happened. I still watch cable TV like i did before. But as is said, its possible that they are able to cut you off on some kind of installations. But its also questionable if the cost of this would be adequate.

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

#56
post #34

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That's more an issue if your looking at land vs where people actually live. More people live in DC than Wyoming. The population of Nebraska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, Alaska , North and South Dakota put together is significantly less than the number of people living in New York City.

Agreed. But the people living in those states have 14 senators representing them, to NY's 2 and DC's 0. Also, 23 electoral votes to NY's 32.

That's not a good comparison - when Congress was set up the massive debate between the founders was over how to do representation. Which is why we have a bicameral legislature. When doing population comparisons, you should use the numbers from the House of Representatives (population based, which is why we have a 10 year census) instead of the Senate (2 per state, regardless of size).

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

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This is the correct answer. Old, but still relevant density map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density#/media/File...

Norway and Sweden have excellent Fiber-to-the-Home and very low population density. You can get 1GBit/s symmetrical quite cheaply (I don't remember how much, one Swedish offer I found just now is $120/month).

Area of Norway: 148,718 mi²

Area of Sweden: 173,732 mi²

Area of USA: 3.806 million mi²

Even if the densities are similar, infrastructure is harder at scale. It's also true that the places in the US with less density tend to have less economic engines.

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

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This is the correct answer. Old, but still relevant density map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density#/media/File...

Norway and Sweden have excellent Fiber-to-the-Home and very low population density. You can get 1GBit/s symmetrical quite cheaply (I don't remember how much, one Swedish offer I found just now is $120/month).

1. I suspect that offer isn't available in northern Norway.

2. They are only a couple hundred miles from the big internet exchanges in the Netherlands and Germany. Most of those miles can be covered with undersea cables, so you don't need to dig, which is expensive.

3. The U.S. regulatory environment for internet providers is horrible and everyone knows it.

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

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post #56

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Agreed. But the people living in those states have 14 senators representing them, to NY's 2 and DC's 0. Also, 23 electoral votes to NY's 32.

That's not a good comparison - when Congress was set up the massive debate between the founders was over how to do representation. Which is why we have a bicameral legislature. When doing population comparisons, you should use the numbers from the House of Representatives (population based, which is why we have a 10 year census) instead of the Senate (2 per state, regardless of size).

Huh? I was pointing out that population is not necessarily correlated with decision making authority. The thing you think I overlooked is exactly the point I was making.

Re: The TV antenna is making a comeback

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post #24

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Heh, they used to drive around in the UK with an EM locator, looking for unlicensed TV's to tax. Craziness.

You mean unlicensed TV broadcasters ? How could they track a receiver ?

In the CRT days, from the HF section or the flyback transformer leaking signals. Not sure how they'd do it today with LCDs.
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