How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
#2Where did you get the data on coffee shops and chicken shops from?
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#3There's no justification for the assumption of a high coffee-to-chicken ratio implying up-and-coming. It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's definitely anecdotal.
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#4Where did you get the data on coffee shops and chicken shops from?
I've just realised that this wasn't a `Show HN` so the submitter and the author may well be different people. I've left a comment on the medium article.
The reason I ask is that I recently purchased a house in Manchester and as part of that collected as much data as possible on things like crime stats, walking time to nearest reailway station, cycling time to work, etc. I didn't get data on coffee or chicken shops. I did consider it, and would have pulled it from OSM but that data is very incomplete with regards to this sort of data.
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#5Wouldn't you want an area with both? I may be missing the context of London's culture - but if 'up and coming' means 'being gentrified' wouldn't you want to pick an area that has a barbell distribution of upper class and lower class establishments?
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#6Inspiring assumption... I don't think Peckham is exactly your dream area :)
Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
#7You put a fried chicken shop in a place where lots of people go while you put a coffee shop in places where there are few coffee shops. I'm sure that correlates with 'up and coming', but it's not necessarily a signature. Some up and coming places will have neither.
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#8You put a fried chicken shop in a place where lots of people go while you put a coffee shop in places where there are few coffee shops. I'm sure that correlates with 'up and coming', but it's not necessarily a signature. Some up and coming places will have neither.
>You put a fried chicken shop in a place where lots of people go
I think the idea of the article is that you put one in a place where lots of the "wrong people" go.
E.g. that "up and coming" urban professionals et al, don't go much for "fried chicken" -- as I understand in the US it's associated with rednecks, blacks, and the poor? (as opposed to Starbucks or Whole Foods).
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#9I don't necessarily agree with the premise of this article, as many other commenters point out.
To offer an alternative, my own theory is that the 'up and coming' areas are cropping up down the Shoreditch fringe, i.e. Borough (which is seeing a lot of commercial and residential development, and Elephant & Castle (same as Borough, albeit more behind in completion). Such a 'fringe' also spills off into the East, too.
You could extrapolate this trend to Peckham, one of the primary areas the author has highlighted, however I doubt we're going to get anywhere near same level of 'pop-up' commerce/entertainment in these much more southernly areas for some time to come indeed.
Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
#10There's no justification for the assumption of a high coffee-to-chicken ratio implying up-and-coming. It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's definitely anecdotal.
Well, as are most things in life, even in science before they are checked out -- they start as observations.
The important thing is whether it serves well as a predictor.
If we were that interested we could do a scientific analysis, counting coffee shops and chicken places in different urban areas, averaging incomes, checking trends etc.
But since it's not that important to most of us, we can just use it as a kind of gauge of where things are going, and judge for ourselves if it has merit or not. Might help someone make a few bucks by buying property in the right area (although the most succesful of tose people already use this and a ton of other metrics, plus insider knowledge of future municipal plans etc).