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Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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Obligatory click-through-Google URL: https://www.google.com/search?q=Theranos+Has+Struggled+With+... edit: I had known about Theranos mostly for being a highly valued startup by a young college dropout involving something in the medical field...I assumed it was more related to the scientific research side...but in the article it says it's been offering tests to the public since 2013 (and that that appears to be the m…

I have a friend in Phoenix who has used Theranos's testing system a few times, and he has been delighted by their service.

Is he able to properly evaluate the accuracy of those results?

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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It's not necessarily bad business or bad practice to launch a company before the technology is ready, and to use a more conventional, cheaper substitute in the interim. I remember reading about a company that offered automated translation, but started out with human translators to validate the increased market size at the lowered price point. They used the validation to raise enough money to continue growing a user base at a per-unit-loss as well as develop the machine translation software to the point of marketability.

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Interesting article. While the article paints a bleak picture of company operations, one item that sticks out in favor of the Company is that "Walgreens says its partnership with Theranos has gone smoothly overall."

Seems like there would a lot more complaints considering the number of tests conducted, and that the relationship would have been soured/severed if the results were not living up to Walgreen's satisfaction.

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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Here's a nice profile from the New Yorker in late 2014:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/15/blood-simpler

I mean "nice" as in, a good read...it's a flattering profile of Holmes -- she comes off well, as a genuinely passionate person, and even if she had stayed in school, it sounds like she would've still made a great impact.

But the article also raises concerns that seem to be corroborated by the OP:

> Clarke argues that finger-stick blood tests aren’t reliable for clinical diagnostic tests; because the blood isn’t drawn from a vein, the sample can be contaminated by lanced capillaries or damaged tissue. Holmes strongly disagrees: “We have data that show you can get a perfect correlation between a finger stick and a venipuncture for every test that we run.” When I asked for evidence, I was sent a document by Daniel P. Edlin, Theranos’s senior product manager, titled “Select Data.” It purported to show favorable results from numerous comparison tests. I asked Edlin if the tests had been conducted by an independent third party. He replied by e-mail: “The clinical tests were conducted by a combination of Theranos and external labs,” but he wouldn’t say which ones.

Um, OK. I don't know much about this testing process...but...what trade secrets are being protected by hiding the methodology and source of the comparative test results?

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend in Phoenix who has used Theranos's testing system a few times, and he has been delighted by their service.

Is he able to properly evaluate the accuracy of those results?

This is what the results look like:

http://padlet.com/dpetersen/khmmi11wy8hz http://padlet.com/dpetersen/r6dg1vbxmz92

I don't know how an individual could evaluate the accuracy of these results, but the same goes for a non-Theranos blood test as well.

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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Sounds like the accuracy testing should be blind but isn't. Why not?

It seems like disclosing that a sample is a test is more likely to negatively affect the accuracy of the test than improve it. The need for double blind trials is normally well understood. This is not an experiment, but as a test it seems like it would benefit from at least single blind: lab is unaware - accuracy tests are mixed randomly into the genuine population of testing requests. Kind of like how the TSA is occasionally tested by inspectors who bring all sorts of weapons through.

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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> Mr. Balwani replied the next day, copying in Ms. Holmes. “I am extremely irritated and frustrated by folks with no legal background taking legal positions and interpretations on these matters,” he wrote. “This must stop.”

Wow. What a terrible response to get from company leadership. It should be completely appropriate for an employee to bring a concern to the attention of leadership based on a plain-English reading of a statute or regulation. Obviously, I don't know what kind of email the person sent, but if it was something like, "A plain English interpretation suggests that we are required to ... " then the right response is to thank them for bringing it to attention, and then engage people for an appropriate review. Every time I've dealt with a legal situation in a corporate environment, the plain English reading was ballpark a correct way to understand it, with occasionally some detailed nuances for which it was important to have legal input, but which did not radically change the situation. I've never run into a case where the required action was opposite than it seemed, or anything like that, although I'm sure surprising things come up from time to time.

I understand why they might ask people to stop discussing it, on a big company email list or something like that, but bringing it to the attention of the appropriate company leader, is exactly the right thing to do. Thank them and look into it.

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is he able to properly evaluate the accuracy of those results?

This is what the results look like: http://padlet.com/dpetersen/khmmi11wy8hz http://padlet.com/dpetersen/r6dg1vbxmz92 I don't know how an individual could evaluate the accuracy of these results, but the same goes for a non-Theranos blood test as well.

Anecdata: I'm a physician, and get tests done for myself and my family at the Theranos place in Palo Alto, for around $5/test (vs $50 for other labs), and I have no concern about the accuracy of the tests. This abstract discusses some of the possible reasons for variation in test results: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10887452 Of course, none of this proves that the tests are reliable (consistent) and accurate, just that there are several explanations for unexpected and unrepeatable values in a given patient.

Re: Theranos Has Struggled with Blood Tests

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I believe parts are a scam and parts are good The pathology diagnostics field is ripe for disruption with easy access and visible pricing and even if they do this well they will probably disrupt the big players. In terms of new technology I very much doubt they have anything substantial.
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