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Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by logfromblammo »

david-given wrote: post #74
RHSeeger wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to the opinions of others, I appreciated your post. While a nitpick, you provided the both the correction and a good way to remember which word is used in which situation. As someone who has to stop to consider which one to use sometimes, I appreciate the extra effort.

You may be interested to know --- well, I find it interesting --- that there are lesser known meanings of 'affect' and 'effect' which are the other way round . You can effect a change, where 'effect' a verb. And people can have an affect, where 'affect' is a noun largely synonymous to 'mood'. I believe it's even possible to affect affects by effecting an affect effect, in effect. English is weird. (Linguistic tangent…

You may be able to distinguish between mood-noun "affect" and influence-verb "affect" by pronunciation. I place the emphasis for the former on the first syllable, just as in "affectation" whereas the emphasis is on the second syllable in the latter. So they are homonyms, but not exactly homophones.

I never liked the verb sense of effect. It always seemed to me to be too much like a managementspeak verbizating torturement of the ordinary noun sense of effect. Obviously, the verb sense means "to produce an effect", but are you really gonna diss the perfectly cromulent already-existing word that has meant that for longer--"affect"? ~

In condimentarius scriptor apostrophe delenda est.

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by amalcon »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #66
amalcon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Gypsy cab" is a slang term for an unlicensed taxi, and no longer has anything to do with the Romani people. It's not a term I personally use (outside a descriptive context like this), but it doesn't seem intended as an insult.

Maybe not, but wouldn't it be better to avoid antiquated ethnic slurs like "Gypsy cab" in favor of cool neutral terms like "unlicensed"?

It's true, which is why I don't generally use the term myself. I was just trying to clarify the point.

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by ricksplat »

marincounty wrote: post #57
c22 wrote: post #56

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I'm sure we've all wasted keystrokes on stupider things.

Yea, but it just getting old? I'm glad someone finally said something. Think of it this way, you loose your residence, and job. In turn, I tell you, "Well, nature is beautiful?". And yes, we can all find grammatical mistakes. Now, producing something worth reading is another story?

Yeah it is just getting old. A pedant picks up on a single spelling mistake in three paragraphs of perfectly fine text, and it's a matter worthy of commentary. No matter how politely it's phrased, or how elegantly the correction presented, that's just plain ignorant.

The fact that it got upvoted too just illustrates the commentariat are more interested in style over substance.

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by MrApathy »

briandear wrote: post #51

Has anyone ever died because of an unlicensed limo? Is it really a threat to public safety? If consenting adults agree to a transaction, I am not sure how that's the government's business. However, if an unlicensed vehicle was portraying itself as a licensed vehicle, then you have a fraud issue, not a public safety one.

Some years back NYC [1] (under Mayor Giuliani) instituted a policy whereby drivers suspected of driving while intoxicated would have their vehicles seized by the police. Unlike unlicensed limos, DWI is a real public safety problem.

The problem with what NYC did, however, was that a driver could be found not guilty of DWI and still have his car seized. There were many complaints regarding due process, uneven applications, etc., and eventually the city abandoned this policy.

I mention this not because I sympathize with drunk drivers (I don't), but because it's not the first time the city has done something like this.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/24/nyregion/drive-drunk-lose-...

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by bzbarsky »

dandare wrote: post #37

This is on of the things that fascinates me about the US. Such blatant injustice would be unthinkable in the Europe.

It would? http://www.webpronews.com/french-police-told-to-seize-uber-c... begs to differ, after about 30 seconds of googling.

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by LordKano »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #68
morganvachon wrote: post #67

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Based on your racist and derogatory statements, I have to wonder if you're involved in the taxi industry. The fact is, taxi lobbies are just protection rackets. I don't like Uber at all due to the way they treat their customers and drivers, but ridesharing is the future and the taxi mob is desperate to stop them from growing. If that means paying off the local law enforcement and city officials to illegally and uncon…

The problem is that even if you can't own a person wholesale anymore in this country, you can own the right to be the sole provider of one type of service to that person, and charge them exorbitant rates. To the taxi lobby, the citizens of New York are not free men, but their property as customers. Uber and the like are therefore dirty thieves, abolitionist usurpers. The taxi lobby will also say that it's all for you…

Your colleagues should/could have played the game. Just sit there, in the cab. Either he takes the payment that they offer or they get to leave. As long as they're sitting in the cab, it's not making any money.

Force him to decide to either take their payment or write off the loss from the ride because he can't get any other fares while they're occupying the seat. What's he going to do? Call the police and tell on himself?

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by logfromblammo »

DanBC wrote: post #79
talmand wrote: post #77

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Wait, I don't understand. Because this person used a term that you describe as a racist and derogatory term, you are claiming the entire taxi industry is racist? As I asked elsewhere, how is this term racist and derogatory?

(I agree with your first point.) > As I asked elsewhere, how is this term racist and derogatory? Gypsy is a racially problematic term. Using that term to refer to unlicensed cabs links travellers (who may or may not be Roma) to crime and dangerousness. If you care about this kind of stuff it's probably a good idea to move to phrases like "unlicensed cabs". You get some benefit it's more useful for an international au…

"Gypsy" may also refer to Irish Travellers (Pavees), and possibly even to other insular nomadic cultures, not just Roma. I wouldn't be surprised if a travelling carnival worker had ever been called a gypsy.

The term itself is derived from Egyptian, which just goes to show how little people care about actual facts when labeling outsider groups.

And if you really want to be politically neutral as well as culturally neutral, "unofficial", "non-medallioned", "hackney", or "jitney" would be better than "unlicensed" or "illegal".

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Post by jimktrains2 »

msravi wrote: post #32
guessbest wrote: post #15

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I just opened it twice. That seems to have solved the problem.

Yes. The first time you click, it returns a blank page (with an adblocker). The second time you click, the article's contents can be seen. Has happened to me on all the Forbes articles posted here.

And NoScript. I have NoScript + uBlock Origin. Why/How would the adblocker matter in this case?

EDIT: After looking at the source, the entire article is stored in a JSON document embedded in the script. I don't see an http-equiv meta and the document returns a 200. I guess I'm not creative enough to RE how this redirect happens w/o javascript or an http header.

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Post by mlrtime »

Arnt wrote: post #54
aswanson wrote: post #26

Why is the regular news reading more and more like my Onion RSS feed? I have a feeling things were always this absurd, if not more so, but the idiocy gets amplified now by the channels being so connected.

Sounds like a contorted way of saying "I click the clickbait" ;)

you might like /r/nottheonion

Re: Judge: NYC Seizing Thousands of Cars Without Warrants Is Unconstitutional

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Post by lectrick »

marincounty wrote: post #57
c22 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure we've all wasted keystrokes on stupider things.

Yea, but it just getting old? I'm glad someone finally said something. Think of it this way, you loose your residence, and job. In turn, I tell you, "Well, nature is beautiful?". And yes, we can all find grammatical mistakes. Now, producing something worth reading is another story?

You meant "lose," not "loose." ;)

Good grammar never gets old. In fact, it boosts your income: http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2013/03/11/rep...

> Now, producing something worth reading is another story?

I've become less of a grammar nazi over the years (falling in love with a dyslexic woman will just... force you to do that lol), but I see it as kind of like colorblindness... If everyone is telling you your colors don't match, and you don't see it, it doesn't mean it doesn't bother them (or that you shouldn't care). Or if you're deaf and make random noises that you don't hear, but they bother others... perhaps you should figure out how to stop. That sort of thing. It's a discord thing.

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