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The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by marssaxman »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #376
fweespeech wrote: post #359

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> That is what I love about the Tea Party (not their politics but that they decided to do something about what they felt). In just under 10 years they have become a strong voice in national politics. Many of their members were brought into office by people just like you, passionate about what is wrong (in their opinion) with the way things are done. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms... > A…

In my opinion, you are conflating cause and effect, but per an earlier comment I made it is incorrect for anyone to believe that their passions are not shared by others. And when those others have more money than time, that is how they "help." If you run for office in the US, you will form an organizing committee. And you will put in your organizing documents the things you believe should be true about the world that…

I've tried, all right; that's what led to the understanding that it is a waste of my time. Months of work on a marriage-equality activist group built up a lot of public support, and then the whole thing got co-opted by the existing political establishment. All the energy disappeared, the work was wasted, we were nowhere closer to achieving our goals. The wheels continued to turn, but very, very slowly. It was eight more years before marriage equality finally happened. I'm really glad I didn't waste all that time working on activism.

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Post by icebraining »

jleyank wrote: post #264
s73v3r wrote: post #246

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Yup. A few lines of code and an app can totally bypass decades of psychological research regarding marketing.

Worked for open-source software. In a relatively short time (10 years +/-?), the traditional capitalistic model which worked for centuries seems to have been supplanted to at least some degree. I was thinking of several things: 1) Modern technology to provide direct communication, 2) Sheer numbers of people in each age cohort and 3) The desire to effect change. Social media can slaughter a movie in a day or two. I wo…

Open Source was the capitalist response to Free Software, capturing the cost reduction of shared and unpaid voluntary work and reselling it as closed systems. If anything, it underlines the point that any change will be subverted and used against its originators.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by Sven7 »

ergothus wrote: post #360
Sven7 wrote: post #311

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Well good luck to you. I think differences in policies are irrelevant given the current setup. If Obama's two terms have proven anything, it's how ineffective the system is. You don't see leader's, in any other field stand at the podium and sigh, groan and just look as frustrated/helpless as he does. And telling people to vote for this kind of ineffectiveness (14 years now in the middle east, just to pick one issue)…

I didn't say vote FOR the madness, I said vote against it. Even if that's voting for third party candidates. A vote is a metric. Non-voting gives them no reason to care about your opinion, while a vote (even for no one) means you act. [And once you consider policies, I think it's better to vote for a less-bad option that can win, but if you disagree, by all means vote 3rd party] And I'm comparing voting in this case…

Voting for the lesser evil at the end of the day is non representative. It devalues the vote. It sends a wrong signal to establishment and to candidates.

The undecided voter is constantly bombarded with this "get out the vote or the republic will fall" fear-mongering line to push elections one way or another. At the end of the day it's a form of gaming the system.

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Post by rinze »

Camillo wrote: post #336
downandout wrote: post #82

Most of the comments here focus on how people aren't trying hard enough to get jobs. This article indicates that the jobs don't exist and that the problem is likely to get far worse. You can try as hard as you want to get a job - if no one is hiring, you aren't going to get one. The reality is that as time goes on, the world's needs can and will be met by fewer and fewer people. This should be a good thing, but it wo…

> The reality is that as time goes on, the world's needs can and will be met by fewer and fewer people. This is true, but I don't think it accounts for most of the youth unemployment we have seen so far. The jobs did not go to robots in America, they went to workers in China. To answer another common theme: we can complain about CEO pay, tax cuts, stagnant wages, etc., but the reason for the pure and simple lack of j…

> The jobs did not go to robots in America, they went to workers in China.

They went to robots in China. There was a very good video documentary on this in (I think) The New York Times not long ago, but I haven't been able to find it. This is close, anyway, and provides context: http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robot...

> The city of Dongguan plans to finish 1,000 to 1,500 “Robot Replace Human” programs by 2016, which (if done on a similar scale to the example above) would vastly increase production and improve quality while putting nearly a million people out of work.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by rhino369 »

intopieces wrote: post #272
rhino369 wrote: post #237

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>Underemployment should be mentioned in any discussion of job difficulty; in the US, getting a job as a barista or fast food is possible, but a horrendous waste of a college education. But there have never been enough "good" white collar to employ the current number of Americans getting a college education. The difference was there were enough good, white collar jobs for the college graduates back then. But the numbe…

>There is no shame in slinging coffee. The shame isn't in the work, the shame is in having no money to do anything: get a decent apartment, raise a family, go on vacation, provide for a spouse.

Expecting to provide for a spouse is outdated now that women are in the work place. They increased worker supply, driving down wages.

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Post by nosuchthing »

chillwaves wrote: post #386
nosuchthing wrote: post #302

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Preferential voting, or "how to vote for your real choices and not throw away your vote" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method#Comparison_tabl...

This is a good example of a common sense reform that strengthens every ideal that we are supposed to hold dear in this country, but that threatens the establishment powers therefore stands zero chance of happening.

..uh well with a defeatist attitude you've just validated a self fulfilling prophecy without even trying.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by vijayr »

rinze wrote: post #404
Camillo wrote: post #336

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> The reality is that as time goes on, the world's needs can and will be met by fewer and fewer people. This is true, but I don't think it accounts for most of the youth unemployment we have seen so far. The jobs did not go to robots in America, they went to workers in China. To answer another common theme: we can complain about CEO pay, tax cuts, stagnant wages, etc., but the reason for the pure and simple lack of j…

> The jobs did not go to robots in America, they went to workers in China. They went to robots in China. There was a very good video documentary on this in (I think) The New York Times not long ago, but I haven't been able to find it. This is close, anyway, and provides context: http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robot... > The city of Dongguan plans to finish 1,000 to 1,500 “Robot Replace Human”…

They went to robots in China.

One interesting thing to watch in the next few decades would be this - if more and more robots are going to be used, then countries like China will no longer have the advantage of cheap labor. A robot in the US is more or less going to cost the same as a robot in China, so there are not many reasons to send jobs elsewhere.

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Post by bsder »

collyw wrote: post #241
sjg007 wrote: post #169

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This is why young people need to vote.

For one of two paries that are essentially the same? Obama made a lot of big prommises before getting into power. He hasn't followed through on many of them at all.

Then it's your job to make one of those parties not the same.

Howard Dean's time as DNC chair showed you the blueprint for doing this. It was working. That's why they kicked him out.

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Post by Domenic_S »

dragonwriter wrote: post #377
Domenic_S wrote: post #318

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> to consider society as a mostly-altruistic, benevolent mass of humanity There is no mass of humanity in that way, just like "HN believes..." or "Reddit thinks..." is mostly impossible to say. Some folks of that generation did/do act in mostly-altruistic, benevolent ways, and some of them did/do not. The generational argument is a very clever red herring that shifts blame from a broken system to the previous generat…

> The top 1% of earners pay 50% of federal taxes. I think you mean "federal income tax" (and even then, have the number too high.) Which isn't the same thing as "federal taxes", or even federal taxes on income (since it excludes federal payroll taxes, which are the most significant federal taxes on income for a very large segment of the income-earning population.)

Yes, of course. My sibling comment clarifies.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by bsder »

marcosdumay wrote: post #385
ju-st wrote: post #212

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> I am not applying because working here is the most important thing to me, I am applying because there was an opening I might be qualified for and I was looking for a job. Yep, I'm actually too scared to state the real reasons why I'm applying. I think HR will filter out my appplication when I write "your opening sounded somewhat interesting and I want to know more about the tasks I have to do when I work here". Ins…

I sometimes wonder whether HR people that do that are so smart that they realize bullshiting is an important ability that must be selected for, or so stupid that they actually fall for the answers they get.

> so stupid that they actually fall for the answers they get.

This, mostly.

Never put HR on your engineering interview loops.

I actually recorded the statistics for our HR people on the loop to prove that they were random relative to the engineering assessments so I could get them kicked off the loop.

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