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Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters Expansion

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Re: Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters Expansion

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I mostly agree, but the scale of what Twitter is doing technically is very different. Network size is not as important as how messages are distributed within it. Whereas most WhatsApp messages are one to one, on Twitter they're almost always one-to-very-many. If 10000 Twitter users with 1000 followers each send a tweet, that's 10000000 messages hitting queues. 10000 WhatsApp users sending a single message each are li…

Number of employees doesn't scale up with the number of messages hitting queues. No those acres of employees at Twitter are showing each other powerpoint presentations, ordering lunch for each other, and subdividing again and again tiny slivers of functionality into more and more product management teams, none of whom have sufficient authority to make any material improvement to the product.

I can't you upvote more than one time, unfortunately. I can't speak for Twitter, but this is very true of many companies. As they grow, they start structuring the product development into multiple verticals with specific specializations like "UX design", "graphic design", "user engagement", "backend team", "frontend team", "devops team" and so on, but they fail in creating enough horizontal cross-contamination and the central direction gets weaker and weaker; the teams start to segregate and blame each other (frontend team says that backend team is providing them with bad apis, devops team complain that backend team is using too many different technologies, ux team complain that graphic design hasn't followed their advices, etc.), and many meetings are setup to solve these conflicts, and to implement new processes and new information workflows that are ever more complex (and thus slow) to make sure that everyone is useful. The end result is that product development gets slower and slower; theoretically, the end result should be that releases have superior quality (when you eventually get around making one), but it's hard to justify the differential costs compared to shipping fast and iterating.

Re: Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters Expansion

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WhatsApp also appears, at the moment, to have a much simpler business model - you buy it. No advertising technology, no audience/data teams and, probably most significantly, no sales team to go out and get people to use the platform. And no big agency handholding people, no data scientists, no customer success account managers. I'd be curious to see what the breakdown is between tech and sales at Twitter.

That business model is almost certainly out the window after the Facebook acquisition. They renewed everyone's license automatically, and are probably going to remove it entirely.

They renewed licenses before the acquisition

Re: Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters Expansion

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Scaling twitter is fucking overrated if you look at the work engineers at WhatsApp did. There's a reason why a whatsapp engineer is worth 100 more than the average twitter engineer. The twitter tears are flowing in this thread

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Re: Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters Expansion

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> Surgical would imply killing off specific teams and products. This is across the board. Perhaps I missed it but no where did I see any specific mention that this was either surgical or across the board. Care to elaborate? If they didn't specify it certain could go either way.

Earlier reports said 10% across the board.

So how did Twitter decide who is in that 10%? Was it by seniority?
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