Reminds me of that hologram device scam - bleen. It was so funny I couldn't tell if it was a scam or a parody trying to make fun of crowdfunding. Unfortunately it was flexible funding so people lost their money and whatever you think no one deserves to be scammed.
Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
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Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#72The thing that is weird about this case is that one of the principals, Morgan Gustavsson, is actually the dude who invented the real laser hair removal that is used in clinics and has been involved in dermatology since. I don't know if he was actually involved in this project or not, but that was the one thing that made me think that this maybe wasn't 100% a scam? Anyway, the implication they make in their pitch isn'…
Still makes no sense. The heat/power requirements to burn off hair are ridiculous and dangerous to use. Look at those overpowered laser pointers that can barely pop a balloon. These devices can blind a person easily. Hair is much, much tougher and would require magnitudes more power. >Morgan Gustavsson Dunno, but people cash out all the time. Race car drivers endorsing crappy mass produced cars, etc. I'm especially c…
Your experience with people nearing retirement is exactly the opposite of mine.
I don't find them all to be money-grubbing hucksters -- but rather more concerned about doing what's right. I think a lot of people at that age are looking at their legacy (kids, business, etc.) and want to have a positive impact. My mom is such an example: quitting her private industry work to spend her last working decade at a non-profit.
And working in the start-up world, I know a lot of people my age and younger that are willing to bend ethical rules too far to make a quick buck.
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#73I really want a Kickstarter review site, where people can post projects. Since non-backers cannot post comments there is no way to let people know that 'this project is probably not going to work'. Snopes for Kickstarter?
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still makes no sense. The heat/power requirements to burn off hair are ridiculous and dangerous to use. Look at those overpowered laser pointers that can barely pop a balloon. These devices can blind a person easily. Hair is much, much tougher and would require magnitudes more power. >Morgan Gustavsson Dunno, but people cash out all the time. Race car drivers endorsing crappy mass produced cars, etc. I'm especially c…
It could be like the Lumea from Philips where light energy is absorbed by the hair causing it to fall out. Note, the Lumea does not work on blonde hair, its working principle is based on absorption of energy by the pigment that also colors hair (like a black shirt getting hot in the sun).
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Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#75I really want a Kickstarter review site, where people can post projects. Since non-backers cannot post comments there is no way to let people know that 'this project is probably not going to work'. Snopes for Kickstarter?
I've thought about that too. It would require on the ground reporting, though, which is pretty expensive. Kickstarter should add a "verified" tier or something that includes the cost of someone checking in on them in person halfway to the delivery date.
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#76The thing that is weird about this case is that one of the principals, Morgan Gustavsson, is actually the dude who invented the real laser hair removal that is used in clinics and has been involved in dermatology since. I don't know if he was actually involved in this project or not, but that was the one thing that made me think that this maybe wasn't 100% a scam? Anyway, the implication they make in their pitch isn'…
> Of course, if this really is such a revolutionary advance, why go to Kickstarter to bring it to market? Why not traditional investors. The obvious benefit being that you don't actually have to give Kickstarter "investors" any money back.
Yeah, this shouldn't be overlooked.
Kickstarter = funding without having to give anyone a stake.
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#77> Backers received an email from Kickstarter saying the Laser Razor was "in violation of our rule requiring working prototypes of physical products that are offered as rewards".
Interesting. Was this a recent policy change? Control VR never showed any working prototypes either, and their campaign was allowed (this was in 2014). Their demonstration video was later revealed to be using another company's significantly more expensive product ($10k+ vs the $600 pledge price), with zero modifications. They never demonstrated any prototypes of the product they were claiming to develop themselves, yet the campaign went through and now they have everyone's money (>$400k) without delivering.
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#78The thing that is weird about this case is that one of the principals, Morgan Gustavsson, is actually the dude who invented the real laser hair removal that is used in clinics and has been involved in dermatology since. I don't know if he was actually involved in this project or not, but that was the one thing that made me think that this maybe wasn't 100% a scam? Anyway, the implication they make in their pitch isn'…
If Mr. Gustavsson is involved I wonder why there's no mention of the regulations they need to pass before they can sell units in the US. I did a quick search [1] and found a few of the systems he has been involved in and they are all FDA Class II devices which is a long, involved process. They'll need data showing substantial equivalence to a predicate, unless they've come up with a way to get around the FDA. At a mi…
Perhaps that is why they are going through Kickstarter... to get at the "dumb money" -- meaning that they want investment from people who arent going to ask about imperial entanglements regarding class II devices...
They want to get the thing made and out the door before scrutiny from FDA types would cost them more money than the actual product dev.
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#79> Backers received an email from Kickstarter saying the Laser Razor was "in violation of our rule requiring working prototypes of physical products that are offered as rewards". Interesting. Was this a recent policy change? Control VR never showed any working prototypes either, and their campaign was allowed (this was in 2014). Their demonstration video was later revealed to be using another company's significantly m…
that policy is probably about a couple years old.
Re: Laser Razor suspended by Kickstarter
#80lol... what I found funny and somewhat ironic is that most of the people in the video seem to wear a beard? (or lack of shaving) Maybe they're waiting until they can get their hands in an actual working prototype :P