MH17 Report

Post by hackerboos » Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 4:48 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #29

curiousjorge wrote: post #22

The entire world except Russia knew Russia is responsible but when you are the second guy with the most nukes, you get away with impunity. Just the idea of having one or others thinking you have more than one nuke is enough to allow others to look the other way and let you do whatever gay shit that you do

The report did not go into finding out who did it. Both sides own BUKs. It is very difficult to find the truth because all sides are pumping out propaganda. Even the United States is manipulating what we hear for their own political and economic gains. Here an subtle but strong example : http://www.sott.net/article/302911-Sott-Exclusive-Full-unedi...

Post by pms » Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 4:56 PM UTC

rtkwe wrote: post #24

pms wrote: post #3

It was all known thanks to Bellingcat since at least 1 year.

Bellingcat's reporting takes for granted that a BUK was used based on a good amount of evidence there there were BUKs in the area and there was a missile fired from the ground. They didn't and couldn't prove that it was what hit and downed MH17, they didn't have access to the physical evidence and flight recorder. They seem to have done a lot of good work trying to track the launcher down and analysing the evidence t…

Post by ptaipale » Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 4:58 PM UTC

aikah wrote: post #37

rogeryu wrote: post #5

It's incredible that 61 airlines flew over that area during those days. That day alone, 160 airplanes flew over East Ukraine before MH17 was hit. Even if it's safe to fly at 10k height, what happens if you have problems with your plane, like a failing engine? Next time I fly I'm going to check over which countries we fly.

> Next time I fly I'm going to check over which countries we fly Can you really get that info before hand(well I guess one can access previous flight plans) ? If the passengers knew that, would have they cancelled their trip ? I certainly would have. Never the less, the risk assessment was bad and too many people died that day. Should a war be blamed for being a war? Or should companies be blamed for being too greedy…

Post by guard-of-terra » Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 5:19 PM UTC

ronmacgill wrote: post #31

guard-of-terra wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and probably that someone was drunk" It's a strange assumption. I doubt drunk people ever get to be around Buk launchers (even in separatists' camps) You should keep in mind that rebels shot down military plane allegedly carrying 40 Ukrainian soldiers (and crew) - month before MH17. This was a serious military transport plane Il-76, not some light planer. They shot other aircraft too. One could imagine that shooting…

The E. Ukr rebels were using shoulder-fired missiles and were firing at planes close to the ground. Quite a different kettle of fish than buk missiles which requires a lot more technical coordination

Post by unfasten » Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 5:22 PM UTC

hackerboos wrote: post #41

sschueller wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The report did not go into finding out who did it. Both sides own BUKs. It is very difficult to find the truth because all sides are pumping out propaganda. Even the United States is manipulating what we hear for their own political and economic gains. Here an subtle but strong example : http://www.sott.net/article/302911-Sott-Exclusive-Full-unedi...

I've just been ignoring news out of Ukraine as there's nobody who I trust reporting on the issues. Does anybody have an objective news sources regarding Ukraine? Even the link above looks like Russian propaganda.

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