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Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Re: Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Post by V-2 »

stuaxo wrote: post #4

I wonder if the author would release it to free software ? I'm sure the archive.org people would have a runnable version, and it could be distributed as a freedos package.

I found this: ftp://ftp.chatnfiles.com/Simtel-CDroms/Simtel-for-Ms-Dos-march-97-2-of-2/disc2/misclang/00_index.htm

Three Jorf archives there, binaries, manual etc. could be the whole thing for all I know. Not tested : )

Re: Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Post by brusch64 »

V-2 wrote: post #19

Intrigued, I did some googling and found this God-forgotten FTP :) ftp://ftp.chatnfiles.com/Simtel-CDroms/Simtel-for-Ms-Dos-march-97-2-of-2/disc2/misclang/00_index.htm - jorf21_3.zip contains a manual :) Some interesting constructs / keywords, eg. For (Col = 0 thru 4) | Display B Music 5 times And some insights: The Windows culture is the culture of the WinProc; programs dominated by massive unstructured switch state…

Regarding the "Windows culture":

WinProc programming was indeed pretty horrible. Didn't really program a lot in WinProc - but I've cut my teeth with MFC which was supposed to make it better.

They broke down the big switch in the program and created classes (the c in MFC) and macros.

The VCL of Borland was more abstracted, but we've used MFC.

I am pretty happy that I don't have to do this any more.

When I started with C# and Windows Forms it seemed like a revelation for me.

Re: Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Post by tinco »

mmahemoff wrote: post #12

"If he start­ed Jorf in 1987, that means he start­ed it around the same time Perl 1.0, (and the syn­tax is much nicer ;-). He start­ed it around the same time Gui­do start­ed Python." This is quite interesting as it's not really clear a better syntax would automatically make it "win" over other languages, or even that it's a significant factor. Maybe a prerequisite in most cases, but I think here are a lot of other f…

If you look him up on LinkedIn his profile picture isn't even in a suit, and in his job description under CEO/CTO it says "Chief Grunt" so it doesn't sound like he changed much at all.

Apparently he's been the CEO/CTO of his company for as long as I've lived :)

(also.. I hardly think Mark Zuckerberg was an early adopter of PHP, it had been a dominant web programming language for years and was already being widely regarded as a bad idea even though alternatives either were very early or made by awful companies (asp.net))

Re: Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Post by z3r0d4v3 »

V-2 wrote: post #21
stuaxo wrote: post #4

I wonder if the author would release it to free software ? I'm sure the archive.org people would have a runnable version, and it could be distributed as a freedos package.

I found this: ftp://ftp.chatnfiles.com/Simtel-CDroms/Simtel-for-Ms-Dos-march-97-2-of-2/disc2/misclang/00_index.htm Three Jorf archives there, binaries, manual etc. could be the whole thing for all I know. Not tested : )

whoa - ty 4 the link man,

i just tested it and got ethically blewn away!

screener: http://mnml.is/hn/jorf_on_war.png

Re: Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Post by dreen »

Looks like he only has a short unshaven facial growth [1], that barely qualifies as a beard, which we all know are the true reason behind successful programming languages [2]

[1] http://assets.bizjournals.com/portland/print-edition/p%2019%... [2] http://www.wired.com/2012/06/beard-gallery/

Re: Forgotten Language: Jorf could have been Python or Ruby (2005)

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Post by V-2 »

z3r0d4v3 wrote: post #26
V-2 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this: ftp://ftp.chatnfiles.com/Simtel-CDroms/Simtel-for-Ms-Dos-march-97-2-of-2/disc2/misclang/00_index.htm Three Jorf archives there, binaries, manual etc. could be the whole thing for all I know. Not tested : )

whoa - ty 4 the link man, i just tested it and got ethically blewn away! screener: http://mnml.is/hn/jorf_on_war.png

So it works? Did you run any code? Jorf is about to witness its revival :)
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