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Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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> What would happen if you replace all (most) tax with VAT? The poor would pay considerably more of their income as tax than the rich. And yes, there are ways to do tax evasion with VAT. There was a court case in the UK about whether Jaffa Cakes were a cake or a biscuit (because there are different VAT categories)

Then don't charge the poor for VAT.

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Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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post #87

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> What would happen if you replace all (most) tax with VAT? The poor would pay considerably more of their income as tax than the rich. And yes, there are ways to do tax evasion with VAT. There was a court case in the UK about whether Jaffa Cakes were a cake or a biscuit (because there are different VAT categories)

Then don't charge the poor for VAT.

Define the poor, without creating loopholes, for a tax system.

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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> The average UK salary is £26,500 on which employees pay a total of £5,392.80 in income tax and national insurance contributions. Whoa, what? That's some hefty tax for the 26k bracket!

Nah, that’s not much. Germany is closer to 40% tax in that bracket. Denmark and co, too.

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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Because we have quadriplegics who need 24 hour care so they don't die. Just to choose one random example of why we choose to have a government that levies taxes and provides services.

You don't choose anything (apart from some semblance of choice through voting). Stop using voluntary language for something that is compulsory. This isn't an argument against gov, but your reasoning about choice is after the fact.

We do choose. We vote in a government that provides services for those people.

Do you think that if there were a society of people where a majority were callous enough to deny those extremely disabled their medical care, that they wouldn't just vote out the bums who gave them that care, and the new generation of politicians wouldn't then rewrite the laws?

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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So, in your system, how would a corporations profits be taxed? You have shown nothing like that, really. And a direct property tax is also not a good idea, as then you tax people for having property, not for using their property.

Sorry, I might not have made that point clear: they wouldn't be taxed at all. Not at the corporate level, that is. As far as I can tell, money will exit corporations in three ways: 1) salary, 2) shares and 3) payments for goods/services, mostly to other corporations. Income and capital gains taxes will take care of 1 and 2. The company won't owe taxes, but whichever natural person receives the money will. As for 3, m…

And how do I tax a shareholder living in US if I’m the UK government? I have no ability to do so.

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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Simple 1% revenue tax on companies with revenue of more than $15 million would fix the issue. No other taxes, just revenue one, no tax credits, no refunds. No hiding costs, no going offshore, no creative accounting. One tax on all revenues that will hit your account. This would also help to cut out all the middle man driving prices up and make the logistic chain quite small. Some countries want to experiment with thi…

> Simple 1% revenue tax on companies with revenue of more than $15 million would fix the issue. What country can levy this tax? Large companies like Apple have operations in lots of countries. Do they have to pay each one 1% of their raw revenue?

Its the revenue got in that country. If Apple gets $300 Mil in revenue to their bank account generated in Canada they pay $3Million tax to the Canadian government, as simple as that. Its tax on revenues that company got to their bank account in the country where they operate. If they want then move the money to US and US would have same rules, they would end up paying another 1%. Total of 2% tax for transferring money from Canada to US for example does not sound that bad, huh? Thats the amount of money PayPal would charge for 1 transaction. And this is all, no hidden tricks - this would result in huge increase in revenues country would get and almost completely wiping out black market as such a low taxes are not worth to avoid for small businesses.

Poland is one of the few countries that already have this tax, but it is high now (I think around 20%) and optional. There is a lot of public discussion to drop it to between 0,5-1% on all revenues for all foreign owned companies making more than €15Mil/year. This got really popular after information that Google is reporting constant losses and not paying taxes despite ridiculous high revenues from local market.

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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Global companies offshoring profits and not paying enough tax (in the eyes of many countries) was a hot topic at the last G20 summit in Brisbane. This isn't limited to Facebook, as the article explains. The issue and background here is that when large companies operate globally, each country has its own local subsidiary, owned by the global entity. Money is made in each country by selling goods or services. How are t…

Stories like this make me question if corporate tax even makes sense. However well designed, a tax code with today's complexities is going to have holes. If a savings of even one per mill may mean millions, corporations are going to spend insane amounts of money to hire the best experts to use every last loophole. Why don't we cut down everything to a couple of manageable groups that can be tightened down? I think th…

Someone put it best when they said "corporations may not have a heart, but they don't have a stomach either". Unlike people, corporations do not consume for the sake of consumption, instead they invest in assets. A tax on corporations is directly passed through to employees, customers, investors etc.

From what I understand, the actual proposed replacement for the corporate income tax is much simpler: eliminate it and replace it with a much more comprehensive capital gains tax. Then require companies to be much more forward with paying dividends.

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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No, they use every trick in the book not to, ending up paying less than your local frozen yogurt place (exaggerating a little, but still).

See but they do pay their taxes. They just use loopholes to pay less taxes.

Let me ask you then, do you think it's right that the tax burden is on those locally-run frozen yogurt places, over the extremely well-off multinationals like Apple? Is that the way you want to see the world run?

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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It's relevant because companies that are not multi-national can't afford to engage in these sort of tax reducing practices. If you want to get rid of corporate taxes altogether, that would be different, but suggesting that it's okay for Facebook to pay less than other companies because their employees pay income tax doesn't make sense. The tax code should provide a level playing field for all companies. You shouldn't…

If we got rid of corporate taxes altogether it would be different, and it would likely "provide a level playing field for all companies". And I'm not sure why companies that are not multi-national can't afford to do this too.. if their corporate taxes are absurdly high like they are here in the U.S., they are free to offshore their operations just like U.S. companies do, or lobby their government to reduce or elimina…

This just isn't true. Small businesses can't afford to hire accountants and set up and manage global offices and tax codes. That means small companies are disproportionately taxed for their profits.

In addition, isn't the whole point of corporate taxes to provide money to the country in which that business is making a profit? We may live in a global economy, but we don't all live in a single country. Businesses should be taxed appropriately for their revenues in a country or not be taxed at all. Saying that it's okay to avoid paying taxes because you can afford to move money offshore is hardly a level playing field and gives money to countries based on their advantageous tax codes, not to the profits achieved in that country.

Re: Facebook paid £4,327 corporation tax in the UK in 2014

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> Why not finance helping quadriplegics from increased VAT? Because VAT, beside being a very effective tax (it's the biggest source of income of most countries), is the most unfair one. Say a country have a 20% VAT Low income household need to use the entirety of their income to survive (food, housing, etc). So effectively 20% of their income is collected as VAT. Now a upper class household, let's say they save 25% o…

The best possible tax scheme for poor people would be a simple flat tax that is impossible for rich people to avoid. I've always felt your definition of "most unfair" to be a great fallacy. Yes poor people pay a higher percentage of their income. They also receive more in benefits than they give and the flat tax ensures the rich pay their share. The more complicated you make the system the more it will benefit the ri…

The best possible tax scheme for poor people would be a wealth tax. Make it a flat wealth tax, and I'm with you: 10% (or whatever) of what you possess, into the community coffers every year. Don't muck around with income, it's too easy to game.
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