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Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Keep in mind how you would handle this situation if you managed a large and well-established dev team with procedures and policies you worked hard on and are proud of. It is not enough for a team member to be fantastic in a solo role. I'd be more interested in hearing from other faculty than I would from the students, who don't much experience actually working with Coward.

His entire job was teaching students, so I don't give a rat's ass about what the rest of the faculty thinks if the students like him and perform well.

Right. I was skeptical in first few paragraphs, since students' teaching assessments do have their flaws. But if there was a statistically significant improvement in his students performance in later classes, then the man's doing his job.

Yes, there could still be confounding factors. He is seen as an enjoyable lecturer, and students who care about their classes enough to select the better lecturer might be better students. But still.

If you want to continue the analogy to software engineering, the modules he's producing are students, and they are meeting their specifications (later performance) quite well.

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Keep in mind how you would handle this situation if you managed a large and well-established dev team with procedures and policies you worked hard on and are proud of. It is not enough for a team member to be fantastic in a solo role. I'd be more interested in hearing from other faculty than I would from the students, who don't much experience actually working with Coward.

His entire job was teaching students, so I don't give a rat's ass about what the rest of the faculty thinks if the students like him and perform well.

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Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Instead of teaching at a large research school which cares more about professors obtaining grants, he should teach at a small liberal-artsy school where the professors are expected to spend more of their time actually teaching students.

He'll have more students (and therefore more total impact) at a large public school.

Also, maybe the goal is to change the expectation that research universities lack good teachers? Public colleges educate many times more students than private ones, let alone small liberal arts schools.

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Instead of teaching at a large research school which cares more about professors obtaining grants, he should teach at a small liberal-artsy school where the professors are expected to spend more of their time actually teaching students.

That's kind of sad though, isn't it?

Sometimes I ask the question, "What would I want if I were God of Everything?"

It makes sense to have elite universities, where the people who society will shove millions of dollars in grant money all go to get educated. And if I were God of Everything, I'd want them taught by excellent, dedicated educators. Right?

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Instead of teaching at a large research school which cares more about professors obtaining grants, he should teach at a small liberal-artsy school where the professors are expected to spend more of their time actually teaching students.

He'll have more students (and therefore more total impact) at a large public school. Also, maybe the goal is to change the expectation that research universities lack good teachers? Public colleges educate many times more students than private ones, let alone small liberal arts schools.

UC Berkeley IS a large, public school.

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Instead of teaching at a large research school which cares more about professors obtaining grants, he should teach at a small liberal-artsy school where the professors are expected to spend more of their time actually teaching students.

fwiw, there's a tenure track for lecturers at UCs

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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> The Mathematics Department uses its privileged role in providing service teaching for undergraduates in all the sciences and social sciences to justify its size and all the trappings that go with that like funding and office space.

The above is a very important point and deserves attention in its own right. What it means is that because the requirements for graduation in a particular liberal arts major include several math courses, this gets the math department lots of headcount which translates to budget.

The key lesson for students is to try to avoid those "cattle car" classes with tons of students competing to meet a requirement that they are not interested in learning about.

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Instead of teaching at a large research school which cares more about professors obtaining grants, he should teach at a small liberal-artsy school where the professors are expected to spend more of their time actually teaching students.

Having done one part of undergrad at a "liberal-artsy school" and another part at a larger tech school, I couldn't agree more.

If you were a lecturer at a research-focused institution, in which the quality of your teaching is a minor factor in your "success", and the social norm is mediocre teaching, would you teach at a high level?

Re: Blowing the Whistle on the UC Berkeley Mathematics Department

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Instead of teaching at a large research school which cares more about professors obtaining grants, he should teach at a small liberal-artsy school where the professors are expected to spend more of their time actually teaching students.

fwiw, there's a tenure track for lecturers at UCs

but as the post notes, it's underutilized in Berkeley's Mathematics Department

> "We explained to you before you accepted the position that the idea of employing a full-time lecturer is controversial in our department."

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