I also liked the presentation, that looked pretty slick to me.
Inside an FBI Hostage Crisis
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#129 seconds planned for th rescue, 5 actual minutes, that must have felt like a very, very long time.
- Is it possible to invent radio-based, directional weapons able to kill through walls? e.g. X-rays or microwave?
- I'm surprised the federal agent asks for permission to kill the criminal. As long as there is a hostage, isn't the self-defense considered a default?
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#139 seconds planned for th rescue, 5 actual minutes, that must have felt like a very, very long time. - Is it possible to invent radio-based, directional weapons able to kill through walls? e.g. X-rays or microwave? - I'm surprised the federal agent asks for permission to kill the criminal. As long as there is a hostage, isn't the self-defense considered a default?
The FBI is a lot more careful about killing people than the US police, although there are concerns about their internal review processes of agent-involved shootings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/in-150-shootings-the-fb...
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#14Slightly OT: One small detail that surprised me was that since the daughter of the kidnapper had not enough money to pay for the funeral she had to keep the ashes in her trailer.
Is there no such thing as a legal obligation to bury the dead in the US?
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#15Slightly OT: One small detail that surprised me was that since the daughter of the kidnapper had not enough money to pay for the funeral she had to keep the ashes in her trailer. Is there no such thing as a legal obligation to bury the dead in the US?
I don't think it'd be a particularly popular decision to use tax dollars to pay for a murderer to have a funeral celebration and burial. Maybe that's callous but I'd guess that's the way it is in the US.
As far as I know it's up to relatives or loved ones to bury their deceased and its up to them to arrange a funeral, plot of land, headstone, etc which runs in the thousands of dollars. If there is no one willing or able to pay then I'd assume the state essentially disposes of the body by cremation.
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#16Slightly OT: One small detail that surprised me was that since the daughter of the kidnapper had not enough money to pay for the funeral she had to keep the ashes in her trailer. Is there no such thing as a legal obligation to bury the dead in the US?
I don't think it'd be a particularly popular decision to use tax dollars to pay for a murderer to have a funeral celebration and burial. Maybe that's callous but I'd guess that's the way it is in the US. As far as I know it's up to relatives or loved ones to bury their deceased and its up to them to arrange a funeral, plot of land, headstone, etc which runs in the thousands of dollars. If there is no one willing or a…
Yeah I can see that. I was just surprised that you are allowed to keep the urn at home.
In my country if you no one is willing or able to pay for the burial of the ashes or the body the state pays but can get back the money from heirs and relatives. You are not allowed to not bury the ashes.
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#17Is it just me, or is this a good example of how not to present content on the web. I could hardly read any of that article - the animated background thing took forever to load, and was incredibly distracting. There's a story in there somewhere, I'm sure, but I just didn't have time - it was quicker to google the bad guy's name and read the story on another site.
This is the issue I have now with being a developer. There's so many things people do because they believe we all have gigabit fiber internet service and just bloat the fuck out of the page for no other reason than to try and show off. It only took 140 requests, 36MB and 2.4 minutes later, I was able to read the article. This is completely unacceptable and an epic failure.
One man's bloat is another man's immersive experience I suppose.
I do sympathize with you - your connection speed must be abysmal. But I'm glad the web is not being held back by that - instead I hope that articles like this might help to bring about better connectivity to your location.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it'd be a particularly popular decision to use tax dollars to pay for a murderer to have a funeral celebration and burial. Maybe that's callous but I'd guess that's the way it is in the US. As far as I know it's up to relatives or loved ones to bury their deceased and its up to them to arrange a funeral, plot of land, headstone, etc which runs in the thousands of dollars. If there is no one willing or a…
Yeah I can see that. I was just surprised that you are allowed to keep the urn at home. In my country if you no one is willing or able to pay for the burial of the ashes or the body the state pays but can get back the money from heirs and relatives. You are not allowed to not bury the ashes.
I don't know the cultural origin of the tradition, but some people keep the ashes of their relatives in their homes. I have friends who have an urn with a parent's ashes in a place of honor.
Ashes pose no public health risk (they're often scattered in public places, parks, and bodies of water), so it's surprising to learn that any government would require that ashes be interred below ground.
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#19Interesting story that kept my attention to the end, despite the intrusive multimedia elements (I'm reading this very late at night, with people asleep nearby, and one of the videos started auto-playing and wouldn't let me pause it). I would say all parties involved, from bus driver Poland to the 911 operator, the FBI and the local sheriff, behaved admirably and at times heroically. For those men to jump down that ho…
It's not at all clear from the evidence available before the hostage-taking that Dykes was going to harm others.
We must be careful when proposing imposing our own version of 'normal' upon others. When we're in a minority, and all of us are, a majority might chose to do so upon us.
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#20The FBI Hostage Rescue Team is an amazing group of professionals, the premier hostage rescue team in the US. They are the civilian equivalent of Delta Force as they can't normally operate in the US. Historically Delta and the FBI HRT even do hostage training together.
Pretty amazing how highly trained these people are