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A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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So I'm a similar situation except I'm hopelessly introverted. The idea of a bootcamp seems good to my parents, but to me it's just another word for school. At this point it would be easier to get a computer science degree than to do a bootcamp because doing work in groups is the first thing I check for on a syllabus before I drop a class. It sure looks good though, pay $15,000 for a 97% chance at getting a job. I jus…

It's not like "group work" doesn't exist once you get to the working world.

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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Whilst it's true that we shouldn't overlook the experience of others, I believe if we try to look at the issues all at once we'll not get anywhere (analysis paralysis) or will generalise too much and miss the finer details. You touched on one of the key points for me when you said "never got to feel the joy of learning". Perhaps that's the key problem in this case too, as the author didn't seem to have discovered the…

>Not that working at something you want is automatically bad, far from it, but it's not the only way to enjoy life. One day I hope we can see that being a slacker can be a noble profession. I have some documentation you should read: http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet.html

You overlooked the 'noble' part. If you shared a link to The Idler then I'd understand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idler_(1993)

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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post #21

So I'm a similar situation except I'm hopelessly introverted. The idea of a bootcamp seems good to my parents, but to me it's just another word for school. At this point it would be easier to get a computer science degree than to do a bootcamp because doing work in groups is the first thing I check for on a syllabus before I drop a class. It sure looks good though, pay $15,000 for a 97% chance at getting a job. I jus…

It's not like "group work" doesn't exist once you get to the working world.

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Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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The equivalent Western stereotype is probably the neckbeard. It's prevalent enough to have shown up in mainstream media, e.g. South Park's Make Love, Not Warcraft.

What do you call a female neckbeard, then?

I believe that the most common term is legbeard[1], although its usage is quite rare.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=legbeard

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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So I'm a similar situation except I'm hopelessly introverted. The idea of a bootcamp seems good to my parents, but to me it's just another word for school. At this point it would be easier to get a computer science degree than to do a bootcamp because doing work in groups is the first thing I check for on a syllabus before I drop a class. It sure looks good though, pay $15,000 for a 97% chance at getting a job. I jus…

I really believe the person in the article is just strongly introverted, and that's it.

School puts a lot of pressure into socializing students, without caring about individual sensitivities. I personally hate working with other people, and there are actually plenty of people who do. Learning is a tedious task, so I'll never understand why school must be social.

There is always the same situation that occurs to me. Some guy just start talking to me while I'm doing something. I'm obviously uninterested in talking with the guy, and for some reason I'm the sociopathic weirdo. Interacting has become a standard, and those who fails to do so are quickly put away or seen at failing in society.

I really believe that society can't tolerate outcasts. Society really feels like an army of acolytes who only hold social norms. Maybe it's the remnants of instituting civilization through religion, maybe that's why people can't behave without having a set of beliefs who don't have any ideas behind them.

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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post #21

So I'm a similar situation except I'm hopelessly introverted. The idea of a bootcamp seems good to my parents, but to me it's just another word for school. At this point it would be easier to get a computer science degree than to do a bootcamp because doing work in groups is the first thing I check for on a syllabus before I drop a class. It sure looks good though, pay $15,000 for a 97% chance at getting a job. I jus…

It's not like "group work" doesn't exist once you get to the working world.

The group work required of students isn't even remotely representative of the type of collaborating that is required in the workplace. It's just a bullshit excuse to tick a box they know appeals to potential employers.

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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In Japan they have this phenomenom called hikikomori - young people shutting themselves off from the world, kinda like the person in the article did for a while, until his parents threatened to cut him off. I'm wondering why we don't have much of this hikikomori phenomenom in the West - is it simply because Western parents don't tolerate it?

> "until his parents"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the author is a female. Not that it matters that much, the issues apply to both males and females.

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The equivalent Western stereotype is probably the neckbeard. It's prevalent enough to have shown up in mainstream media, e.g. South Park's Make Love, Not Warcraft.

What do you call a female neckbeard, then?

a feminist

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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post #25

So I'm a similar situation except I'm hopelessly introverted. The idea of a bootcamp seems good to my parents, but to me it's just another word for school. At this point it would be easier to get a computer science degree than to do a bootcamp because doing work in groups is the first thing I check for on a syllabus before I drop a class. It sure looks good though, pay $15,000 for a 97% chance at getting a job. I jus…

I really believe the person in the article is just strongly introverted, and that's it. School puts a lot of pressure into socializing students, without caring about individual sensitivities. I personally hate working with other people, and there are actually plenty of people who do. Learning is a tedious task, so I'll never understand why school must be social. There is always the same situation that occurs to me. S…

> "Some guy just start talking to me while I'm doing something."

Have you tried the headphones trick? Works for me. You don't even have to be listening to music.

> "Interacting has become a standard."

Without putting too fine a point on it, it's always been the standard. You only exist now because your predecessors interacted. I hear you that there's a time and place for interaction, and you shouldn't feel pressured into engaging with others, and it's good to enjoy your own company, I frequently find that's what I enjoy the most too. However, if you label yourself as 'introvert' or 'extrovert' you limit your potential experiences, and I don't see the point in that.

Re: A Culture Against Dropouts, Deviants and Troubled Young Adults

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like "group work" doesn't exist once you get to the working world.

The group work required of students isn't even remotely representative of the type of collaborating that is required in the workplace. It's just a bullshit excuse to tick a box they know appeals to potential employers.

I think it probably resembles the workplace about as much as anything about being a student resembles the workplace, which is to say, not much at all. But the original post was about not wanting to do a coding boot camp because of the personal interaction. And how he doesn't want to pay someone to teach him "something he already knows" to get a job. But a job is about a lot more than just technical proficiency, and it sounds like something is being... if not taught, at least tested for in these contexts that is also needed to succeed at working life for most people.
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