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Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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There is no way "nothing else" would change. And your comment is rife with assumptions that I find galling. But I don't have time at the moment to address that.

Actually, there's one way to make such a change: pay everyone an unconditional basic income of, say, 24$ (= 3$ * 8h) per day. But I agree, Frondo's comment seems to be rife with assumptions.

You can't really do that without raising taxes, which would probably affect the other $12.

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I run a crowdsourced content site that is a kind of Wikipedia for news (see my profile for link). When we first started we wanted to attract Wikipedia writers, who write for free. Those writers are mainly young, white Americans, like the Mechanical Turk writers mentioned in the article. But they wouldn't come over, because they like fighting on Wikipedia for free. So I offered $1 per post to write 50-100 words summar…

How did you recruit those people?

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I run a crowdsourced content site that is a kind of Wikipedia for news (see my profile for link). When we first started we wanted to attract Wikipedia writers, who write for free. Those writers are mainly young, white Americans, like the Mechanical Turk writers mentioned in the article. But they wouldn't come over, because they like fighting on Wikipedia for free. So I offered $1 per post to write 50-100 words summar…

Would be interesting to see some side by side comparisons of the content written by the minorities versus white male teen suburbanite (ideally evaluated objectively by someone who doesn't know who wrote it) to see what the tangible results are of a diverse writing staff.

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I run a crowdsourced content site that is a kind of Wikipedia for news (see my profile for link). When we first started we wanted to attract Wikipedia writers, who write for free. Those writers are mainly young, white Americans, like the Mechanical Turk writers mentioned in the article. But they wouldn't come over, because they like fighting on Wikipedia for free. So I offered $1 per post to write 50-100 words summar…

Would be interesting to see some side by side comparisons of the content written by the minorities versus white male teen suburbanite (ideally evaluated objectively by someone who doesn't know who wrote it) to see what the tangible results are of a diverse writing staff.

The amount of "creative" writing on our site is very limited. Each post in our system has to follow a particular format, and we have a feedback loop so that the writer can improve their posts, based on those formats. For example a movie post is formatted in a very specific way [1].

I found no difference at all between the output of minorities and white writers. A bigger and more rigorous sample would have given more insight. It's interesting because Wikipedia is known for its gender gap: 90% of its writers are young, white, highly educated males. So therefore most people think that Wikipedia-like content can only created by those kind of people. Instead, I found I could create almost exactly the same content by restricting the format and the users actions, irrespective of the class of person adding the information. In fact, as the site stands it was created maybe 70% by women.

[1] http://help.newslines.org/knowledge-base/add-a-movie-post/

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I run a crowdsourced content site that is a kind of Wikipedia for news (see my profile for link). When we first started we wanted to attract Wikipedia writers, who write for free. Those writers are mainly young, white Americans, like the Mechanical Turk writers mentioned in the article. But they wouldn't come over, because they like fighting on Wikipedia for free. So I offered $1 per post to write 50-100 words summar…

How did you recruit those people?

There's a large-work-at-home community on the web, with sites that list sites, as well as forums and review sites. Search under "work at home". We also got good word-of-mouth because the pay was reasonable, and the payouts were fast, although you continuously have to reassure people that it's not a scam :-(

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be interesting to see some side by side comparisons of the content written by the minorities versus white male teen suburbanite (ideally evaluated objectively by someone who doesn't know who wrote it) to see what the tangible results are of a diverse writing staff.

The amount of "creative" writing on our site is very limited. Each post in our system has to follow a particular format, and we have a feedback loop so that the writer can improve their posts, based on those formats. For example a movie post is formatted in a very specific way [1]. I found no difference at all between the output of minorities and white writers. A bigger and more rigorous sample would have given more…

Oh ok. I remain always curious about the benefit of diversity in these projects then. It is constantly touted as a good and it makes intuitive sense to me that it would be, but I was wondering if that manifested in the content they produced in particular.

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I guess the wages are low because any task has to be verified by another person (possibly in a consensus-test, where the input of the other person is verified against your input). Or at least, that's what I'm guessing.

Or, the wages are so low is because humans are inherianty cheap, and willing to exploit people especially when no one is looking. Would this website work if they required a clear picture of the work provider, and a brief resume?

I don't want or need a picture nor a resume.

I have a task I need done, a value that it's worth to me to have it done, and all I need to know is "can you do it?" and "are you willing to do it for what it's worth to me?"

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I can see some appeal to making a miniscule amount of money in my spare time on Mechanical Turk. I mean, I already spend my spare time doing pointless tasks such as solving crossword puzzles and commenting on things. I would see it as a game where the goal is to try and make as much money as possible with as little work. I can also see that unemployed people might enjoy it just as a way of feeling like they're doing…

I tried Mechanical Turk years and years ago. At that time there were really no tasks available that paid an amount that could consistently get you anywhere close to minimum wage. The only ones that seemed appealing on the surface were these audio transcriptions. I type over 100wpm and 9 minutes of audio took me over an hour to transcribe. I got like $2, and never even bothered withdrawing it. If any individual on Mec…

>If any individual on Mechanical Turk is averaging even 1/3rd federal minimum wage, I'd be shocked.

Look at the transcriptions / translations for Farsi and languages from the Middle East. People are making plenty of money.

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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I have never gotten into Mechanical Turk, but I do freelance work online. My "hourly wage" depends in part on how together I am. I am medically handicapped. Some days, I am fairly together and can make around $12/hour -- not dissimilar form what I was making at a corporate job after a few pay raises. On a so-so day, it can take me forever to complete tasks, lowering my "hourly wage." However, I still need the money,…

> If you take it from me, I am left with what? Panhandling? Prostitution? ...???

Is there no welfare for people who aren't able to make a living in your country?

Re: Who Makes Below Minimum Wage on Mechanical Turk?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of "creative" writing on our site is very limited. Each post in our system has to follow a particular format, and we have a feedback loop so that the writer can improve their posts, based on those formats. For example a movie post is formatted in a very specific way [1]. I found no difference at all between the output of minorities and white writers. A bigger and more rigorous sample would have given more…

Oh ok. I remain always curious about the benefit of diversity in these projects then. It is constantly touted as a good and it makes intuitive sense to me that it would be, but I was wondering if that manifested in the content they produced in particular.

I see what you mean now. In our site, a larger percentage of women contributors doesn't affect the quality of the posts, but does add more diversity to their content. For example, women are more likely to add news about magazine covers, music performances, and celebrities, while men seem to prefer to add posts about politics and issues. If we only had men contributors then the latter would be overrepresented.

We can see the effect of the gender gap on Wikipedia in the content too. Topics like porn stars, games and politics are overrepresented, while other topics that women would be more interested in, are neglected.

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