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Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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It was inevitable that this would happen. I remember when Opera first added pop-up blocking and plenty of people got mad. This is the same thing: ads are burning energy, bandwidth, and our time. Now that consumers have been subjected to piles of abusive ads, they're just blocking all of the ads regardless of how bad they are.

Did you ever give consent for ads in your print newspaper? They "load" on the page, without asking

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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Ads will never go away and these ad blockers will soon become worthless if the advertising companies ever think they're a threat. There are so many easy ways to defeat ad blocking. This is why I despise Apple for trying to publicize web ad blocking while letting their ads be displayed in their little gated community. Apple is essentially ruining it for the people that do use ad blockers because we're going to reach a…

So your argument is that Apple is bad because they let the plebes in on this ad blocking thing? (Rather than leaving them for the techies who are a small enough slide of the population that they can slip under the radar?)

I'd also argue that the way Apple implemented things, it actually takes more savvy to block ads on iOS than on a web browser on a PC. If it were just a default setting in Safari, you'd have a stronger argument.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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"Does the same logic also apply to your TV and radio?" Yes? Or are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to change the station during a commercial?

No, but you do allow the presence of advertising on your TV or radio so why should web pages be different? That's the contract you agree to.

Allow how? I haven't watched an ad on TV since I bought my first DVR over 10 years ago.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Does the same logic also apply to your TV and radio?" Yes? Or are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to change the station during a commercial?

No, but you do allow the presence of advertising on your TV or radio so why should web pages be different? That's the contract you agree to.

Ad-blocking is exactly the same thing as turning the volume off during commercial breaks. Or perhaps turning the TV/radio off, and then back on again afterwards might be the better analogy, since then you are not consuming the "bandwidth".

If I wanted to hurt advertising, I'd create an extension that would fire a thousand click-throughs on their stupid ad, and vacuum up all their AdSense budget. Get a few million people world-wide doing that, and companies would quickly realize that they are spending an even more ridiculous amount of money on advertisements, and they would stop spending.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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post #29

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You say it like it’s a bad thing.

Youtube alone hosts a vast amount of content - everything from archival footage to MIT lectures to people's cat videos, and all of it more or less free. Just because you personally dislike Google doesn't mean the world is better off without the services it provides.

I’d prefer the Internet Archive and the many non-profit and/or academic sites which still exist to host that content. People’s own cat videos they should host themselves.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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The Mozilla Foundation has come out against ad blocking: "Content blocking software should focus on addressing potential user needs (such as on performance, security, and privacy) instead of blocking specific types of content (such as advertising)."[1] This is sad. Their slogan used to be "Work for mankind, not for the man". But the Mozilla Foundation is ad-funded. They currently have a deal with Yahoo to make Yahoo…

Well, as someone who doesn't earn money from ads, I'm on their side. I agree with the arguments against ads, but I also remember what it was like to not have a CC or money to spend, and ads work as a redistribution mechanism; until someone can make a good argument why the poor won't be left out of the brave new world of paid-for content, I still won't use an ad-blocker.

Here's a counter argument; just because you can throw clickbait articles up onto a website doesn't give you the right to rape my personal details for your personal profit.

Quite simply, produce something of value and you won't have a problem financing it. The worlds smallest violin plays for those websites producing garbage to feed the never ending stream of garbage that comes through the data pipe that I pay for. No one owes you anything.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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Well, as someone who doesn't earn money from ads, I'm on their side. I agree with the arguments against ads, but I also remember what it was like to not have a CC or money to spend, and ads work as a redistribution mechanism; until someone can make a good argument why the poor won't be left out of the brave new world of paid-for content, I still won't use an ad-blocker.

Here's a counter argument; just because you can throw clickbait articles up onto a website doesn't give you the right to rape my personal details for your personal profit. Quite simply, produce something of value and you won't have a problem financing it. The worlds smallest violin plays for those websites producing garbage to feed the never ending stream of garbage that comes through the data pipe that I pay for. No…

Here's a counter argument; just because you can throw clickbait articles up onto a website doesn't give you the right to rape my personal details for your personal profit.

But that's Mozilla's argument: block tracking, not ads.

Google Analytics and other services are not ads, but still track.

Project Wonderful, on the other hand, has ads but doesn't track.

Shouldn't we block the former, and not latter?

By the way, have I pointed out that I make absolutely no money on ads? I work for a B2B startup that charges for its services. No ads at all.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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post #56

I think we are missing one key thing in this debate. Ads and ad-blocking is just a symptom of the fact that you cannot make money in this industry. The only ones making money on IT are companies who's main thing is not technology, but who can utilize technology to make there business more efficient. A good example is logistic companies who have a business that's been around for ever, but smart algorithms allows them…

A thousand times this; if your business model relies on advertising, you don't have a business model.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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That's not our problem. It's the reporter's. We are not responsible for helping businesses prop up their failing revenue streams.

Arguably, you are somewhat responsible if the revenue stream is failing because you want to consume content without caring whether anyone gets compensated for it.

Arguably? I don't think so. If the producer wants to protect their content, put it behind a paywall or similar. If you're sending out content to anyone for free, you can have no expectations of making money. Either guard it or don't, but don't try to put blame on others for your stupid decision to not guard it.

Re: Ad-blocking: a sign that web publishers don’t care about readers

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post #61
post #6

It was inevitable that this would happen. I remember when Opera first added pop-up blocking and plenty of people got mad. This is the same thing: ads are burning energy, bandwidth, and our time. Now that consumers have been subjected to piles of abusive ads, they're just blocking all of the ads regardless of how bad they are.

Did you ever give consent for ads in your print newspaper? They "load" on the page, without asking

But they don't cost me actual real money both in terms of bandwidth costs and psychological cost (tracking induces paranoia which curbs my thought, which adjusts my online search behaviour, for one example). Printed adverts in a newspaper do not have these costs.
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