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The interviewee acknowledged that, and said people with predispositions to it should not take these therapies. They have reliable screening tests.
They have reliable screening tests for what?
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#42Pretty tangential, and i've no idea yet as to it's accuracy, but i loved the idea that the human race's "emergence into consciousness was triggered by our ancestors encounters with visionary plants". From an ironically, as otherwise i probably wouldn't have stumbled on it, Ted Talk by Graham Hancock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w Out of interest, are there any other theories as to what might have caused…
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have reliable screening tests for what?
According to the interviewee, for vulnerability to serious negative outcomes from psychedelic therapies.
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Eh this sounds like exactly what was wrong with the early LSD promoters. Psychedelics are the mythical "love bomb"? I do not think the evidence supports that. While I think the world would be far better off if everyone had tried it, I don't think it'd stop wars or anything. At best, it might get people to sit up and think a bit, and turn to rationality for explanations. But in real life, seeing as how one's predispos…
> Eh this sounds like exactly what was wrong with the early LSD promoters. Psychedelics are the mythical "love bomb"? I do not think the evidence supports that. We really don't have that much evidence - at the one Uni they'd done what, 500 trials with mushrooms over 10 years? It's obviously not guaranteed to bring world peace, but I honestly think it could make a huuuuuge portion of the public wake up and start askin…
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#45Pretty tangential, and i've no idea yet as to it's accuracy, but i loved the idea that the human race's "emergence into consciousness was triggered by our ancestors encounters with visionary plants". From an ironically, as otherwise i probably wouldn't have stumbled on it, Ted Talk by Graham Hancock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w Out of interest, are there any other theories as to what might have caused…
Here's one: it's not actually much of a leap. Save for the fact that your brain has a bigger language center, you're no better than any other ape.
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I've known about thirty people who have used Lsd routinely for years, and I have to agree with you. The only significant difference is that some of them talk like it drammatically changes them. The effect doesn't seem much different from the people I know who really like a hobby and exxagerate its effects. I of course know lsd is something serious and psychedelically powerful, and agree it should be studied.
I am pro drugs. I actually feel most drugs, except antiboiotics, should be available over the counter. That said, the one drug I have seem people injest, and come back slightly different people is LSD. I have never taken the drug, but I had two close, intelligent friends in high school go off to U.C. Santa Cruz and literally come back different people. We were all so young, and still finding ourselfs, but the differe…
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#47They can trigger a paradigm shift in many other areas, not just mental health care. Except it's so hard to explain this to a 'normal' person, who's never taken any. "If God were to permit you a brief voyage into the divine process, let you whirl for a second into the atomic nucleus or spin you out on a light-year trip through the galaxies, how on earth would you describe what you saw when you got back, breathless, to…
Your penultimate paragraph just screams of magical New Age thinking, though.
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How is psychosis not mental illness? You are splitting hairs.
One episode of psychosis is not a life long psychotic illness. When people say "psychedelics cause mental illness" that could mean: * Someone with no underlying mental illness takes a few doses of LSD and is left with a life long psychotic illness * Someone with no underlying mental illness regularly takes huge doses of LSD, and ends up with a life long psychotic illness * Someone with underlying mental illness has t…
And then the professionals can help measure dependency and long term effects, and people can participate in studies and contribute to the science of recreational drug use. Drugs are always medical grade, never laced with other substances, and doctors can recommend safe alternatives to the dangerous recreational drugs.
Power dynamics between a doctor and an addict may pose ethical problems, but if the doctor has the proper oversight these problems can be mitigated.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh this sounds like exactly what was wrong with the early LSD promoters. Psychedelics are the mythical "love bomb"? I do not think the evidence supports that. While I think the world would be far better off if everyone had tried it, I don't think it'd stop wars or anything. At best, it might get people to sit up and think a bit, and turn to rationality for explanations. But in real life, seeing as how one's predispos…
> Eh this sounds like exactly what was wrong with the early LSD promoters. Psychedelics are the mythical "love bomb"? I do not think the evidence supports that. We really don't have that much evidence - at the one Uni they'd done what, 500 trials with mushrooms over 10 years? It's obviously not guaranteed to bring world peace, but I honestly think it could make a huuuuuge portion of the public wake up and start askin…
> We really don't have that much evidence
So you agree with him then.
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So... have you known people who've undergone this chemical love carpet-bombing who are tremendously peaceful, between themselves or with people who were not similarly treated? Because I've known a lot of people who used a variety of drugs and many who swore by LSD, mushrooms, ecstasy or a combination, and they weren't a teeny bit less likely to start petty fights over pretty much nothing than the rest of us, nor were…
>So... have you known people who've undergone this chemical love carpet-bombing who are tremendously peaceful, between themselves or with people who were not similarly treated? It's a horrible idea. Beyond the obvious ethical problems with dosing people without their consent, you aren't guaranteed to have a good experience. In fact a positive experience is probably pretty unlikely if you have no idea what's happening…