LogMeIn acquires Lastpass • Hacker News Board

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by Lazare » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 9:50 PM UTC

shlant wrote: post #212

microtonal wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't quite a reason to jump ship for me yet, but I'll certainly be duplicating work to other services(which so far, I've found to be quite inferior). Did you try 1Password (which works with Dropbox, Wifi sync, etc.)? Not affiliated with them, just a happy customer.

I actually did an evaluation of password storage services recently and chose LastPass over 1Password for a couple reasons: 1. 1Password is SUPER expensive for what it is. You really pay for the fact that it looks nice and integrates well with mac. 2. It has no enterprise level features (This is for my organization) such as user management, access logging and fine grained roles and sharing. 1Password might be good for…

Actually, I'd say 1Password is cheap for what it is; I opted to use it in my personal life because it was cheaper than LastPass. :)

The lack of enterprise features is a killer though. We currently use 1Password at work, but we're evaluating LastPass and Meldium as options to switch to purely for the password sharing, access control,etc. We don't want to switch, but it's not clear there's any option if you want to manage passwords reasonably smartly among a small team.

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by MichaelGG » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 9:57 PM UTC

746F7475 wrote: post #329

baldfat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Dropbox for Security seems like a oxymoron? I fail to see that as anything I am willing to use.

What makes you trust LastPass to spread your database to your devices more? And what makes Dropbox so bad?

Dropbox runs a binary on your machine; that's enough to suspect them. Stick with an open source password manager and an open sync service (S3 plus a script? Or a third party client like Arq).

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by IgorPartola » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:06 PM UTC

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #281

IgorPartola wrote: post #229

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OK, but why do they owe you anything for the time you chose to spend with their product? In fact by repeatedly using their product you subtract from their bottom line since you are consuming computing and support resources. As far as I see it, $12 buys you a one year LastPass subscription, not a perpetual right to be consulted on any corporate moves they might make. Practically, you probably have a bit more say than…

In fact by repeatedly using their product you subtract from their bottom line since you are consuming computing and support resources. I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. Their product is SaaS; by definition to use the product requires consuming their computing resources--that's what they're selling! Unless you're honestly of the mentality that companies have moral standing to tell you to eff-off…

My point is simply that LastPass has no responsibility to you and me to not ruin their product by selling to someone that might. If we were shareholders it'd be different, but as users we have very little say, and I think that's for the most part a good thing. Imagine if you had to treat all your users as shareholders.

Of course this sale to LogMeIn might mean the end of LastPass as a reliable and easy to use password manager. Of course it might cause you and me to spend time looking for an alternative solution, setting it up, etc. I am saying that none of that is LastPass's team's problem and I don't think that even a paid subscription for their service buys us the right to be consulted on their corporate strategy.

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by jtheory » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:11 PM UTC

mistersquid wrote: post #166

scrollaway wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Logically, something like KeepassX ( https://www.keepassx.org/ ) is the most logical, secure choice. I think a lot of people pick Lastpass and such for the convenience of browser integration, but I don't think that's necessarily impossible with keepassx - just so happens that nobody is really working on it (which is a shame).

Another reason to use LastPass is if you need to share sensitive data with a team. Group credentials and secure keys for production environments, among other things, can be shared using LastPass.

This one in particular -- I use KeePass for my personal stuff, still; but at work, there seem to be a ton of logins we need to share.

Never mind sensitive stuff -- we get lots of use out of LastPass for managing the list of test and demo users on our site. We setup sandbox accounts (with various types of users) for potential customers. Each time the main logins to into LastPass, so if they run into problems, anyone on the dev team can help them out (with no other coordination required).

I've not been terribly impressed by LP's usability, honestly; but for quite a while they've seemed to be the only mature product in this space.

I've noticed Dashlane seems to be catching up here; I'm keeping an eye on them.

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by jtheory » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:11 PM UTC

mistersquid wrote: post #166

scrollaway wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Logically, something like KeepassX ( https://www.keepassx.org/ ) is the most logical, secure choice. I think a lot of people pick Lastpass and such for the convenience of browser integration, but I don't think that's necessarily impossible with keepassx - just so happens that nobody is really working on it (which is a shame).

Another reason to use LastPass is if you need to share sensitive data with a team. Group credentials and secure keys for production environments, among other things, can be shared using LastPass.

This one in particular -- I use KeePass for my personal stuff, still; but at work, there seem to be a ton of logins we need to share.

Never mind sensitive stuff -- we get lots of use out of LastPass for managing the list of test and demo users on our site. We setup sandbox accounts (with various types of users) for potential customers. Each time the main logins to into LastPass, so if they run into problems, anyone on the dev team can help them out (with no other coordination required).

I've not been terribly impressed by LP's usability, honestly; but for quite a while they've seemed to be the only mature product in this space.

I've noticed Dashlane seems to be catching up here; I'm keeping an eye on them.

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by bad_user » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:16 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #256

shlant wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually did an evaluation of password storage services recently and chose LastPass over 1Password for a couple reasons: 1. 1Password is SUPER expensive for what it is. You really pay for the fact that it looks nice and integrates well with mac. 2. It has no enterprise level features (This is for my organization) such as user management, access logging and fine grained roles and sharing. 1Password might be good for…

"You really pay for the fact that it looks nice and integrates well with mac." Aren't those exactly the kind of things I'd want to pay for-- rather than opting for a cheaper solution that doesn't have those features?

For me look & feel and usability are nice, but not if it doesn't correspond to my needs.

I routinely use both a Ubuntu Linux laptop and a MacBook. Unfortunately 1Password does not support Linux.

And while I do use Dropbox, I like having the flexibility of switching to Google Drive. Speaking of look & feel, on Android the 1Password interface is the ugly duckling that doesn't use material design.

And back to price. At home I also have a Windows box that I sometimes use for media. My phone is an Android, but I also have an iPad. So 1Password would set me back $42 for OS X + Windows (includes the discount), about $7 for Android and another $7 for iOS. That would be $56 with the discount, or $84 without the discount. And that is expensive, I mean that's almost the price of an IntelliJ IDEA upgrade.

It's not terrible, I mean it does provide value and the price is sort of justified. But careful on the wanting to pay for things, as that's not how the world works. Do you know what happens to the farmers that invested money in the latest tractors and the seeds with the highest yield? Most are near bankruptcy, choked by loans and surviving on government subsidies. Just saying, wanting to pay for things is a sign that you've got more money than ability to spend, which is cool, but life is surprising and things change.

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by mderazon » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:23 PM UTC

borisjabes wrote: post #207

azmenak wrote: post #179

First off, congrats to the LastPass team! You guys have built an awsrome product and company. My hope now is that LastPass won't go down the same path as Meldium, after they were acquired by logmein; the product went downhill very quickly. In the case of Meldium, it seems they were trying to improve the UI by improving the design at the expense of functionality. It feels like LastPass is in a similar position now.

I'm sorry you feel that way and will try to correct it. Can you send me feedback on the functionality that's not working as well now in Meldium? There's definitely some edges we're still working through and I'd love to make sure we make it awesome for you asap. You can drop me an email as well (boris at meldium dot com)

I have to agree. The new interface is too much bells and whistles not so much functionality. Another weird behavior is the chrome which doesn't open a new tab immediately but hold for couple of seconds. This makes you wonder if you should wait before you can switch to a different tab.

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by arasmussen » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:27 PM UTC

bargl wrote: post #56

Well looks like I'm going to have to convince, my wife, family, extended family, and friends that they all have to switch password managers now. I'm blown away, I've been a fan since day one because of it's simplicity and availability. I am torn between waiting to see what happens and giving them the benefit of the doubt and just changing all my passwords before Logmein can f--- me.

I find this to be a huge unnecessary paranoid overreaction that I am not surprised to find on Hacker News. :/

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by garblegarble » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:36 PM UTC

Eva_Schweber wrote: post #290

microtonal wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't quite a reason to jump ship for me yet, but I'll certainly be duplicating work to other services(which so far, I've found to be quite inferior). Did you try 1Password (which works with Dropbox, Wifi sync, etc.)? Not affiliated with them, just a happy customer.

Hi danieldk, My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the makers of 1Password. I just wanted to thank you for sharing your love of 1Password with the other folks on this thread!

Hi,

I just bought 1password, switching from LastPass - one feature I really liked in LastPass was the ability to save the master password (I keep important passwords in my head and a password manager for less important things). Is there any chance this functionality will be provided? As it stands if I want to keep using 1Password I'll downgrade my Master Password strength (because it's a real pain to type it every time I reboot, especially on my phone) and that makes me feel more uncomfortable than knowing if someone knows my system login password they could compromise my vault...

LastPass did guard this functionality with a big "your security will be seriously compromised, are you absolutely sure?" prompt which I think is fair enough

Re: LogMeIn acquires Lastpass

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Post by api » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 10:37 PM UTC

cryoshon wrote: post #339

degenerate wrote: post #18

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LogMeIn purchased, and absolutely ruined, Hamachi back in 2006. That program was the perfect lightweight virtual LAN client in existence with all the necessary features. Within months of acquisition, Hamachi had several "updates" and became bloated beyond recognition, slow, buggy, and downright unreliable. I have the worst taste in my mouth from what LogMeIn did to a perfectly working product and won't use anything t…

Yeah, they really ruined Hamachi. There isn't really a suitable replacement even now, to the best of my knowledge. I still resent them for that. I hope they don't ruin LastPass also, but from here on out I'll be intensely skeptical.

Suitable (and open source) replacement:

https://github.com/zerotier/ZeroTierOne

https://www.zerotier.com/

Also does a lot of other things, and is evolving into a full-fledged SDN layer. If you don't want to use the pretty GUI they give you to create/manage networks you can run your own 'network controller' -- see READMEs in GitHub.