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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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suryon wrote: post #16
legulere wrote: post #14

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Good then that China is an autocratic capitalist country and not communist.

Yeah autocratic capitalist country my ass. Did you get your pills today ? There is not a true communist state in the world. Not even DPRK. But China after DPRK has the most communist traits. It's ugly regime and if you have never been there or did business with them you have no clue what you are talking about. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

> Yeah autocratic capitalist country my ass. Did you get your pills today?

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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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Post by dang »

suryon wrote: post #12

To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME. Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to s…

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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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Post by dang »

philsalesses wrote: post #22
tormeh wrote: post #15

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Ahahaha! China is not the Soviet Union. It's a capitalist society like almost anywhere else, and I'm positive that being rich in China rocks (apart from the air pollution).

hahaha Have you ever lived there to have any sort of clue what you're talking about? Jeeze, I love the Internet sometimes.

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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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Post by echevil »

suryon wrote: post #53
olalonde wrote: post #52

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Compared to the US, China has a lot less of both violent crime and beggars. I'm sorry but it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

First of all you know nothing about me and that's fine. Second just because you live in Hong Kong or Shenzhen it does not mean you know anything about China. Especially these 2 do not reflect anything at all about China. And that is fine that might be the reason why have you chosen them and not the other places in China. Third. You do not seem to speak the Chinese language. Fourth. Just because you have a positive pr…

If you love American life just stay here and no one is asking you to move to China.

There are tons of people (not necessarily rich) prefer living in China than in America. They just care about different things.

As a Chinese citizen living in San Francisco right now, I would say the overall living quality in America is no where near as good as in China. If not for the prosperous software industry here, there is no reason to stay in America at all.

China has its problems but America has its own too. The same goes both for the society and the government. I do feel a lot safer walking down the streets in China, and air pollution has never been a big issue. What you see on news headlines are not what you see everyday.

Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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losvedir wrote: post #31
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Are all Chinese businesses run by "creative" foreigners who "understand the root of the problem"? At some point in the hierarchy someone has to be making the meaningful decisions, they can't all just be heads down technicians all the way to... where? A culture of hierarchy and following orders from above is orthogonal to whether or not people understand the issue. You say "they rarely ask why" but that doesn't mean t…

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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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ash30 wrote: post #27
[deleted] wrote: post #21

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YES - most people in technology here are just too eager to build things, to the detriment of any long term strategy. But in other industries I've met locals who are very able critical thinkers and so there is hope. The common thread amongst them is time studying abroad though...

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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #50
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #45

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They usually know how to jump the wall or get direct lines out for erm research purposes. ChinaSys, an acedemic/industry systems conference, is taking registrations in... Google docs. I hope this is not a wake up call: what we don't need in academia is more gaming of the publication and citation system! This is a wake up call to not take usnews too seriously.

Interesting. I guess when it's a matter of national prestige and encouraging scientific accomplishment, the authorities might look the other way. But that's not really the same as complete and open access. And I agree with you that we don't need even more gaming of the system; but we definitely need more motivation of K-12 students in the math and science fields.

The "motivation" should come from a genuine curiosity and interest in making the world a better place. Academia, even western academia, is often motivated by securing more funding so they can....secure more funding. That creates a closed loop that serves no one outside of it.

The US News report just shows who is better at gaming the system. Heck, even MIT has its problems, though you'll find more pockets of genuine interest and capabilities. Tsinghua also has a lot of great researchers, but usually this is inspite of, not because of, the games played to optimize for these metrics.

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Post by contravert »

[deleted] wrote: post #65
contravert wrote: post #56

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How is this stereotype-laden rant the top comment? Your racist assertions addresses nothing to do with the article, and only sate the wishful thinking of those insecure about this piece of news.

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Okay, I briefly scanned through your comments as you suggested, and you have nothing to support your claims except stereotypes. You even admit you don't speak Chinese, so how exactly can you properly evaluate the "ability to think critically"?

Your comments are racist because they rely on stereotypes and not facts, and basically have an undertone of racial supremacy (i.e. The Chinese can't think critically but we can).

You can throw in all the anecdotes you want, but they do nothing to refute facts and data. Your experience as an expat (especially since you can't speak the native language) is in no way representative or inclusive of a country of 1.3 billion.

By lazily reducing the world into simple racial stereotypes, explained only by anecdotes, you are basically surrendering to selection bias. Every Chinese who meets your stereotypes will reinforce your world view, but you will conveniently ignore or mark as an exception anyone who doesn't.

Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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Post by olalonde »

vixen99 wrote: post #54
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #51

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BA/MA in Chinese studies here. I greatly admire China's accomplishments, starting back around 1,000 BC :) China today is on a trajectory of becoming the premier world technological power, simply based on its tremendous energy and drive and respect for learning. The U.S. and Europe are in decline, by comparison. The U.S. in particular is relying heavily on Chinese and other foreign students to keep its science, math,…

'The U.S. and Europe are in decline, by comparison'. No argument about this. Where are the passionate national debates about why this is so and what can be done about it? Or maybe they are going on and I'm not seeing them.

http://blog.samaltman.com/china
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