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For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by irixusr »

ceejayoz wrote: post #25
clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

> The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it? First two to spring to mind: A dramatic drop in violent crime since the 1970s because the "self-appointed masterminds" restricted lead. A dramatic drop in road deaths because the "self-appointed masterminds" required seatb…

Well the masterminds are still in the red, compared to the deaths from obesity (and drastic cut in quality of life).

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by ashark »

ceejayoz wrote: post #25
clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

> The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it? First two to spring to mind: A dramatic drop in violent crime since the 1970s because the "self-appointed masterminds" restricted lead. A dramatic drop in road deaths because the "self-appointed masterminds" required seatb…

I think the key argument in favor of the usefulness of these sorts of policies is that if I had to worry about all this stuff myself it would take a ton of time and I'd almost certainly still do a worse job than government regulators.

That regulators make mistakes, even fairly often, doesn't necessarily convince me my life would be better without them.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by maxerickson »

ceejayoz wrote: post #27
357467 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find humans to be pretty funny. Modern day humans no longer trust the instincts they have developed over millions of years and instead put their faith in shitty science and corporate marketing. They no longer trust themselves to know how long to stay in the sun, how many steps to take, or what kind of foods to eat.

Those instincts were evolved to get you to reproduce and live long enough for your offspring to be self-sufficient. The world has changed enormously since the industrial revolution and there's hardly been enough time for new instincts to evolve to account for modern society.

New instincts aren't necessarily needed for there to be a population that has some sort of advantage in the modern world, some certain bundle of existing instincts/habits can possibly provide it.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by clarkmoody »

ceejayoz wrote: post #25
clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

> The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it? First two to spring to mind: A dramatic drop in violent crime since the 1970s because the "self-appointed masterminds" restricted lead. A dramatic drop in road deaths because the "self-appointed masterminds" required seatb…

You'll need to be more specific as to the causes of the drop in violent crime in the '70s.

Your example about automobile safety devices makes the dubious assumption that manufacturers wouldn't include such technologies if not mandated by the state and that consumers wouldn't demand them. You also ignore the ridiculous amount of other required features on modern automobiles that make base models more and more expensive, hurting the lowest income levels.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #32

Drinking the milk from another species designed to grow that species babies is wrong. Would you even drink human milk designed for human babies as a grown adult?

Well, no food in nature was really designed to grow human adults. We've coopted the reproductive cells of thousands of plants, solely because we were hungry and there were calories there. Not because of design.

Nature is not out to help us be healthy, despite all the books written about it. A plant would gladly poison us (many try) if it's seeds would sprout better from our dessicated corpses.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by maxxxxx »

bradleyjg wrote: post #29
acacia314 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more than mixing. It is a reduction in the size of the fat molecules which changes the way the fat acts in the mixture. Shaking the milk before drinking is not the same thing.

It seems a weird sort of naturalism fallacy to assume that mixing milk by hand is optimal. I'd be very skeptical about health benefits, but I'm open to the notion that it tastes different. Have you done a side by side comparison (do some brands offer both?)

this is only anecdotal but in Europe I never had trouble digesting milk. The milk they sell in the US makes me feel bloated. It also tastes differently.

Obviously that's not a scientific study but for me it's good enough to conclude that something is different.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by lackbeard »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #10
clarkmoody wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A naive view, at best. You're forgetting all about politics and special interests. > We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses. Precisely the mindset of the power elite that gets us into so much trouble.

Well, take vaccinations for example. Would you better leave it to the people to decide? I'm sure half won't take them. EDIT: I do understand the corporate influence, but we could find a way to build unbiased scientific institutions if with collective global will.

Letting people choose to not vaccinate their children will self correct. We'll lose herd immunity, a lot of people will die, and then everyone will know how awesome vaccines are, just like they did in the 60s. Then the cycle will begin anew.

I lean toward valuing individual rights over all else, but this scenario does present a serious challenge to that worldview.

Another contributor to the problem is that people trust science a lot less today than 2 generations ago. They've seen the negative results of a lot of fraud that has been perpetuated under the banner of "science". (E.g. "scientific socialism", the food pyramid, most of psychology, etc...)

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by iamcurious »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #32

Drinking the milk from another species designed to grow that species babies is wrong. Would you even drink human milk designed for human babies as a grown adult?

I know! and so is eating honey! eating food designed for a baby bee to grow is wrong. /s
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