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For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #5
clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

Well, I guess government follows the scientific conclusions and recommendations. Some might turn out to be wrong and we unlearn them. Science does make mistakes, but that's the best we've got. We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses.

In the US, the Federal Gov't mostly follows the money. And actually we can leave people's lives up to them to lead. Whether you think their decisions are right or wrong, based on intuition, religion, science, etc., the populace aren't children and the gov't aren't parents. Freedom is the right to be wrong.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by bradleyjg »

acacia314 wrote: post #6

I've switch my family to all whole-milk unhomogenized dairy products (if I can find it). Why should I pay more for less calories and modified fat?

Homogenization just mixes the fat it into the milk. What do you do with it?

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by jegutman »

clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

For years the government has been encouraging _____ only for a news article never to be written because it dramatically helped the outcomes of real people.

Don't forget that the things that make the news have a huge selection bias.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by toolz »

clarkmoody wrote: post #8
enlightenedfool wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I guess government follows the scientific conclusions and recommendations. Some might turn out to be wrong and we unlearn them. Science does make mistakes, but that's the best we've got. We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses.

A naive view, at best. You're forgetting all about politics and special interests. > We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses. Precisely the mindset of the power elite that gets us into so much trouble.

What do you mean 'so much trouble'? We're constantly getting healthier, living longer lives, hurting each other lessand doing better by just about all metrics. The only thing that seems to be going downhill is our mental health, and I would argue that's simply because we have more diagnosis recorded, rather than those things simply not existing in the past.

Could we be getting better at a faster rate, as a species? Most likely, but it's not like we've halted progress or something.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by acacia314 »

bradleyjg wrote: post #12
acacia314 wrote: post #6

I've switch my family to all whole-milk unhomogenized dairy products (if I can find it). Why should I pay more for less calories and modified fat?

Homogenization just mixes the fat it into the milk. What do you do with it?

It is more than mixing. It is a reduction in the size of the fat molecules which changes the way the fat acts in the mixture. Shaking the milk before drinking is not the same thing.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by ekianjo »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #5
clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

Well, I guess government follows the scientific conclusions and recommendations. Some might turn out to be wrong and we unlearn them. Science does make mistakes, but that's the best we've got. We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses.

> We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses.

Usually governments make worse decisions than common folks - in about every area (economics, science, medicine, education). I can hardly think of any area where Governments actually did not divert funds resulting in a bad consequence.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by ekianjo »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #11
enlightenedfool wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I guess government follows the scientific conclusions and recommendations. Some might turn out to be wrong and we unlearn them. Science does make mistakes, but that's the best we've got. We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses.

In the US, the Federal Gov't mostly follows the money. And actually we can leave people's lives up to them to lead. Whether you think their decisions are right or wrong, based on intuition, religion, science, etc., the populace aren't children and the gov't aren't parents. Freedom is the right to be wrong.

> Freedom is the right to be wrong.

Exactly, that's why Freedom is to be left alone to individuals so that they can choose for themselves what best fits their lifestyle.

Governments have roles to play, but telling people what to do and not to do at a private level is certainly not one of them.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by clarkmoody »

toolz wrote: post #14
clarkmoody wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A naive view, at best. You're forgetting all about politics and special interests. > We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses. Precisely the mindset of the power elite that gets us into so much trouble.

What do you mean 'so much trouble'? We're constantly getting healthier, living longer lives, hurting each other lessand doing better by just about all metrics. The only thing that seems to be going downhill is our mental health, and I would argue that's simply because we have more diagnosis recorded, rather than those things simply not existing in the past. Could we be getting better at a faster rate, as a species? M…

> We're constantly getting healthier, living longer lives, hurting each other lessand doing better by just about all metrics.

Totally agree. But are those improvements due to the decisions of central planners?

> What do you mean 'so much trouble'?

Things that come to mind: abysmal outcomes for many in the public school system; skyrocketing prices in healthcare; urban families almost completely destroyed by paternalistic welfare programs; massive suffering and death caused by the warfare state; shredding of the Bill of Rights by the TSA; economic calamity caused by Fed-fueled booms and busts; etc.

Look at the places with the worst outcomes and you will find the most government involvement.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by [deleted] »

clarkmoody wrote: post #3

For decades, government ______ only to find out later that it was really bad. The social engineering has got to stop. A free people should not be subject to the latest schemes of self-appointed masterminds. The most evident and dangerous venue for such engineering is the public schools, in which the government subjects our children to every sort of social experiment, and what have we to show for it?

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Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by ekianjo »

toolz wrote: post #14
clarkmoody wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A naive view, at best. You're forgetting all about politics and special interests. > We can't leave it to intuitions of the masses. Precisely the mindset of the power elite that gets us into so much trouble.

What do you mean 'so much trouble'? We're constantly getting healthier, living longer lives, hurting each other lessand doing better by just about all metrics. The only thing that seems to be going downhill is our mental health, and I would argue that's simply because we have more diagnosis recorded, rather than those things simply not existing in the past. Could we be getting better at a faster rate, as a species? M…

> We're constantly getting healthier, living longer lives

LOL, really ? There are more and more obese people in the US, does that count as getting healthier ? What are your metrics exactly ?

As for living longer lives, that's already clearly proven most of the life expectancy gains happened since we reduced infant mortality to minimum levels, raising therefore lifetime for all individuals on average.

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