For some Indians who may be invested in knowing the rankings, there are 9 of them with the first one starting at 100th position (IIT-D). Ouch.
Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings
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#42To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME. Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to s…
Good then that China is an autocratic capitalist country and not communist.
Ah, the good old No True Scotsman.
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#43China only has two prestigious universities, Peking and Tsing Hua. They collect all financial and political support to make these two universities rank higher and higher, not only to save face on the international stage, but also to make sure all intelligence is under the control of Beijing. They may really have reached success in winning global reputation, but the chance for their research to turn into benefit for common people will be very small.
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#44If it's true, as a matter of national pride, let's hope other countries join the race to have the top ranked engineering university. We could use a dozen more MIT's in the world.
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#45The Weibuo quote in the article sums it up. Would you rather have your child go to Tsinghua or MIT? The fact is, MIT remains the most prestigious scientific and engineering school in the world, and number of published articles be damned. Another metric not considered by USNWR is academic freedom. Can students and faculty at Tsinghua use Google? I don't think so. No Google Scholar, no Google Books, not even Search. Ho…
They usually know how to jump the wall or get direct lines out for erm research purposes. ChinaSys, an acedemic/industry systems conference, is taking registrations in... Google docs.
I hope this is not a wake up call: what we don't need in academia is more gaming of the publication and citation system! This is a wake up call to not take usnews too seriously.
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#46"Each school’s score is based on its number of publications and citations as well as its global and regional research reputation." Oh lord... one is easy to game, and the other is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Though, that formula for prestige has been in place for at least the last century in European and American universities.
And it has been gamed for at least the last century. Nothing new here.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
You talk a whole lot, but you've never addressed his point that "it would rock being rich in China". (I am not taking a side).
Being rich does not guarantee that you will have a good life anywhere. There are numerous other things you have to consider. Yes a rich man can buy a big land for himself and build a wall to keep the beggars outside. He can even move to the countryside and never go out or use a private jets / helicopters. The thing is that China is a home for a lot of people and is too polluted and crowded because of wealth distribut…
You know what? That's a pretty reasonable argument, and I agree with it.
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#48Seeing everyone on here so dismissive is simply shocking to me. If you don't like these results or don't believe them look at the overall trend folks. A decade ago there wouldn't have been the Chinese University in the top 10. Now they have half the top rankings. I take my hat off to them; I respect their achievements and if you follow the trend forward they look unstoppable.and of the people at these universities th…
> Seeing everyone on here so dismissive is simply shocking to me.
Not to me. China bashing on HN is surprisingly common and rewarded with karma. Given that the average HNer doesn't know much about China, I assume the typical cognitive process goes something like "I want to believe this comment => up vote". I personally look forward to the day where we can put nationalism behind us. Also, props to Tsinghua.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good then that China is an autocratic capitalist country and not communist.
Ah, the good old No True Scotsman.
China today has nothing to do with communism. If you talk about the cultural revolution and communism that's fine with me. But there's nothing really left in China that you could call communist.
Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings
#50The Weibuo quote in the article sums it up. Would you rather have your child go to Tsinghua or MIT? The fact is, MIT remains the most prestigious scientific and engineering school in the world, and number of published articles be damned. Another metric not considered by USNWR is academic freedom. Can students and faculty at Tsinghua use Google? I don't think so. No Google Scholar, no Google Books, not even Search. Ho…
They usually know how to jump the wall or get direct lines out for erm research purposes. ChinaSys, an acedemic/industry systems conference, is taking registrations in... Google docs. I hope this is not a wake up call: what we don't need in academia is more gaming of the publication and citation system! This is a wake up call to not take usnews too seriously.
Interesting. I guess when it's a matter of national prestige and encouraging scientific accomplishment, the authorities might look the other way. But that's not really the same as complete and open access.
And I agree with you that we don't need even more gaming of the system; but we definitely need more motivation of K-12 students in the math and science fields.