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How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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> "We didn't even know [he was a member] because he was using an email that was not descriptive, and he was not using his real name," Cakarel says. This implies that the company looks through their subscriber rolls for famous film-industry personalities, which is an unusual thing to glibly admit to.

It's a bit more prosaic: Film people at Mubi attend film events along with other film people, shake hands and exchange pleasantries.

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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Only discovered MUBI today via HN. Looks great! There is one annoyance (which I also have with Netflix): I live in Denmark, but I am not fluent in Danish. Not all your movies have English subtitles though, so how can I watch anything else except the three languages I master (English, French and Dutch)? Are licensing issues preventing you from offering English subtitles on all your movies as a default?

In short, yes. Language/subtitle licensing is a mine field. Often times the small local distributors we deal with don't acquire anything but the local language rights, so it becomes almost impossible to go upstream and get the remaining rights even though we may well have the assets for use in other countries. We are doing what we can to move the ball forward on this issue industry-wide, but historical rights arrange…

This is also our major issue with MUBI. We love the film selection, but we live in Germany. When we want to watch a French film, its overdubbed in German.

Netflix is also odd about this but usually we can get German subtitles for any film and choose the audio with original language. Ideally we should be able to select any language that there are available subtitles for. Why restrict it by region ?

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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> "We didn't even know [he was a member] because he was using an email that was not descriptive, and he was not using his real name," Cakarel says. This implies that the company looks through their subscriber rolls for famous film-industry personalities, which is an unusual thing to glibly admit to.

It's a bit more prosaic: Film people at Mubi attend film events along with other film people, shake hands and exchange pleasantries.

Let me add to that. Starting from my own profile page at mubi, it took three clicks and a bit of scrolling to get to https://mubi.com/users/59108 — people know each other.

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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I love the site and found it through filmspotting. Any plans for adding support for kodi? (there's an addon already but it isn't updated regularly)

We've put a hold on new platform development for most of this year in order to move towards a standardized API and tighten up our QA process, so no plans for this year. I can share that the top two platforms which we are seeing interest in are Roku and the new Apple TV.

Never heard of MUBI before this post. Browsing some lists, it makes a ton of sense. I'd probably sign up right now if it were available on AppleTV.

I don't really want to add another device to my entertainment center and not interested in watching anywhere but the TV (except on the iPad when traveling). We've got AppleTVs and a PS4. Tossed the Rokus.

Not expecting you guys are hurting all that bad for my $40. But figured another vote/story couldn't hurt.

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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Whoah, it's awesome to see this posted here in my native habitat! I've spent the last 8 years of my life building MUBI as Co-Founder and CTO (even longer than I've been on HN!). Please AMA.

what are your yearly profits like the last couple of years?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've put a hold on new platform development for most of this year in order to move towards a standardized API and tighten up our QA process, so no plans for this year. I can share that the top two platforms which we are seeing interest in are Roku and the new Apple TV.

Never heard of MUBI before this post. Browsing some lists, it makes a ton of sense. I'd probably sign up right now if it were available on AppleTV. I don't really want to add another device to my entertainment center and not interested in watching anywhere but the TV (except on the iPad when traveling). We've got AppleTVs and a PS4. Tossed the Rokus. Not expecting you guys are hurting all that bad for my $40. But fig…

We have a PS4 app, it's just not launched in the US yet due to the administrative and policy distance between SCEE and SCEA. It will be coming soon, but in the meantime, if you can get yourself a UK or EU-based PSN account, you can download the app through that and it will work fine anywhere in the world (provided you purchase a subscription through the web, the PSN store integration is a bit flaky and I don't want to promise that would work from US shores).

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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Whoah, it's awesome to see this posted here in my native habitat! I've spent the last 8 years of my life building MUBI as Co-Founder and CTO (even longer than I've been on HN!). Please AMA.

what are your yearly profits like the last couple of years?

I'm not authorized to discuss financials publicly.

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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Whoah, it's awesome to see this posted here in my native habitat! I've spent the last 8 years of my life building MUBI as Co-Founder and CTO (even longer than I've been on HN!). Please AMA.

First time I hear about MUBI and I'm in film and tv business. I've heard about Fandor. I have a question - what do you see your (MUBI) future like? Still independent or as an integrated 'thing' in netflix, IPTVs (as a channel), etc..?

This is a great question and one that probably merits a long-form discussion.

One thing I'm certain of is that aggregation of content directly in a way as to provide the holy grail of streaming everything is simply never going to happen because rightsholders are unwilling to cede control of distribution to a powerful entity like Netflix or iTunes (hence Netflix's pivot to focus on production and exclusives so they can control their own destiny).

But it's also clearly not viable for the majority of rightsholders to do their own distribution, at least not yet. As much as streaming technology is commoditizing and device manufacturers outside of Apple/Android are converging on web-based platforms, it's still a massive effort to build a good UX and make it available everywhere that counts. There is clearly huge opportunity for platform makers like Apple to capture value by enabling distribution like they did with the iTunes Store and App Store. There is also opportunity for new middleman strategies like white-label apps, or transparent aggregation that would be something akin to channels-within-an-app type of setup

At the moment there's so much churn happening and so many different strategies that it's very hard to predict what the landscape will look like in 5-10 years. The only constant is that cable companies are being rapidly disintermediated, because they were overly reliant on their monopoly status, and have no talent in either production or UX design so I don't see much chance for them to survive.

If I had to sum my thoughts up it is that the apps of today are replacing the channels of yesterday. The most successful channels are themselves becoming apps (eg. HBO). In the past channels were distributed either as broadcast or as cable, but there is not such a clear distribution pattern for apps. Already apps are available on numerous devices, all with their own idiosyncrasies, sometimes overlapping with other platforms and sometimes not. Platforms that were relevant just a few years ago (Boxee) are completely gone, and new platforms are launching every day. I agree wholeheartedly with Tim Cook's assertion that the future of TV is apps, but I don't have a clue what the platforms will look like in a few years. MUBI will continue to be one of those apps, mostly independent (although we rely on platforms so there's always a degree of cooperation involved), certainly not integrated exclusively into a larger offering ala Netflix or IPTV.

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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Whoah, it's awesome to see this posted here in my native habitat! I've spent the last 8 years of my life building MUBI as Co-Founder and CTO (even longer than I've been on HN!). Please AMA.

I don't have a question, but I'd like to thank you. I've been a MUBI subscriber for a month or two now and love it. You've a subscriber for life here. My best experience was when I fired up my MUBI app in my holiday home (different country in Europe) expecting nothing (like with Netflix and Amazon film), only to find another excellent selection of films. Discovering that rather than punish me for trying to use MUBI i…

Thanks for your comment, I've shared it with the team.

Re: How a small streaming site became the Netflix for indie film

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In short, yes. Language/subtitle licensing is a mine field. Often times the small local distributors we deal with don't acquire anything but the local language rights, so it becomes almost impossible to go upstream and get the remaining rights even though we may well have the assets for use in other countries. We are doing what we can to move the ball forward on this issue industry-wide, but historical rights arrange…

This is also our major issue with MUBI. We love the film selection, but we live in Germany. When we want to watch a French film, its overdubbed in German. Netflix is also odd about this but usually we can get German subtitles for any film and choose the audio with original language. Ideally we should be able to select any language that there are available subtitles for. Why restrict it by region ?

The producers likely have distribution agreements on a by-country basis. So, for example WB cannot distribute in Germany because GEMA has the rights. But GEMA didn't buy the rights for the English subtitles. I imagine technically WB could then sell subtitles rights for in Germany but it would be a pain because maybe those subtitles were done by for licence in America and Oceania... etc.
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