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62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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Does savings include 401k? If not then I would fall under the less than $1,000 only because I made a large purchase a few weeks ago.

If I had over 10k in savings I would try to invest at least some of it in something that would give a marginal return in a few years. It would be better than just letting it sit in a savings account.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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There's a conversation to be had about many Americans living in precarious financial situations, but the reason why most Americans don't currently view their savings accounts as priorities is because in the current interest rate environment savings accounts and CDs are products with vanishingly little to recommend them. The APY my bank offers is one basis point . That's $1 per year for every $10k held in the account.…

If you need liquid savings, cash is king. I opened a savings account with my son a few weeks ago. In my day, those accounts paid 3-7%. There was a story of compounding interest to tell. Now, I feel like I'm teaching my kid to be a sucker.

It's probably worth pointing out to him that there are other benefits such as not having to worry about losing the money or having it stolen from you. I agree with your assertion though, it wasn't that long ago that my savings account was netting me $7/day and thus covering all my commuting expenses for the month.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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There's a conversation to be had about many Americans living in precarious financial situations, but the reason why most Americans don't currently view their savings accounts as priorities is because in the current interest rate environment savings accounts and CDs are products with vanishingly little to recommend them. The APY my bank offers is one basis point . That's $1 per year for every $10k held in the account.…

I don't think that's the case here at all. You're talking about people that are both savvy enough to have a savings account and familiar enough with investments to know that a savings account is bad compared to other investments. On top of also knowing another place to put their money (many people completely fear the stock market and all index products). The average American is just not sophisticated at all here. We're talking about a nation that isn't familiar with balancing a checking book (thanks to debit cards everywhere).

Many people that can invest elsewhere simply don't. Because they do not know about investing. They may be lawyers or doctors. But their money just accumulates.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My net worth is probably top 5% or so and I haven't even had an open savings account in 10 years. Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home.

You're exactly the kind of person this article is pointing out, because your ability to be wiped away by the market is a precarious position to be in.

What? Let's assume he's intelligent and has good diversification (eg. he mentioned bonds, stocks, home, and cash -- probably in a investment account). If all his financial positions got "wiped out" in a broad-sweeping financial collapse, then "cash in savings" would be equally worthless.

In the meantime, he has a home to live in. Plus, most investment accounts give you easy access for withdrawals (eg. debit cards) or the ability to borrow while transfers or sales settle. I fail to see how it's precarious.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My net worth is probably top 5% or so and I haven't even had an open savings account in 10 years. Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home.

You're exactly the kind of person this article is pointing out, because your ability to be wiped away by the market is a precarious position to be in.

I think you're implicitly doing an asset allocation for the poster.

> Cash on hand or it's invested in stocks, bonds and my home.

That could be $100k on hand in checking, $600k in stocks/bonds, and $200k in home equity, with $0 in a savings account. Asset allocations that don't use savings accounts are not necessarily 'precarious'.

Also, it's worth noting that most financial advisors do not recommend that you keep a significant portion of your assets in savings accounts. Primary reason is that by not being in assets that deliver returns, you are losing money to inflation, even at these low levels of inflation. (Also, you have to save a ton more if you don't let your money multiply.)

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people get into the dangerous mentality that since the interest rates are not high that it somehow makes saving not a good idea, similar to many people in our industry who won't max out their 401k simply because the employer does not fully match. With regards to savings and lack thereof, regardless of salary. Far too many people excuse themselves from budgeting because they believe they are stretched too far…

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the point was that savings accounts are not worth it, leading many people to say their saving accounts are barren, not that they don't have savings saved up. Personally I'd fall into that category, I put all my money in checking since the interest is so poor in savings accounts I'd rather see that money go to some retirement fund or investment than see it get so little return in…

A big chunk of people just don't have any money held in reserve:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10354263

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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A lot of people here think this is about you parse "savings". It's not: 47% of Americans say they lack the cash to pay a surprise $400 bill http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/09/...

That is a much better line of questioning since it avoids the arguments about what is meant by savings. Also clicking through I found it avoids the followup argument of "what about credit cards"? To quote the whole thing: "47: The percentage of Americans who can’t pay for an unexpected $400 expense through savings or credit cards, without selling something or borrowing money, according to the Federal Reserve."

But there's still a problem in that the $400 is "pay immediately". The other study from the same article showed 50% of Americans could cope with a surprise $2000 bill that they had 30 days to pay, in 2009.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

#48

This should be more explicit in saying "Savings Account" and not just savings. I have plenty of savings yet have 0 savings accounts (since they're practically useless). A little misleading here when many people just keep their money in checking or investment/retirement accounts.

My Internet bank doesn't even offer savings accounts -- all accounts are checking.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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My gut feeling is that the population of commenters here may exhibit some selection bias. As in, leveling criticism that the article doesn't include "investment vehicles" is a negative may be a valid point in some circles, but as a profile of the general population in the US, is a valid approach. With housing having gone through a giant bubble cycle and rents approaching all-time highs IIRC, there really isn't any ex…

How does not including other vehicles help give an accurate picture of "savings"?

The vast majority of the population is not saying "I have nothing in savings" because all their money is tied up in yachts and Manhattan real estate; it's because they have no money.

Re: 62% of Americans Have Under $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

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post #5

There's a conversation to be had about many Americans living in precarious financial situations, but the reason why most Americans don't currently view their savings accounts as priorities is because in the current interest rate environment savings accounts and CDs are products with vanishingly little to recommend them. The APY my bank offers is one basis point . That's $1 per year for every $10k held in the account.…

I think of savings as nothing but a safety net. Obviously you get past your immediate savings needs (say 3 months of expenses) and then start putting your money where it gets the best return.
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