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Johnson and Johnson, America’s Most Admired Lawbreaker

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In a typical corporation, psycopaths are the cream that rises to the top. I've seen it happen time and time again.

Or, as Jarvis Cocker put it: "Shit floats" :-)

To me that implies more that people who are bad at their job get promoted. Ive met plenty of vps, politicians, etc.. and the majority will not hesitate to challenge your very livelihood if they feel it gets them a leg up on the world. Hell, most will make passive aggressive comments with a smile.

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By leaving yourself unvaccinated, you are bearing the risks of contamination. The risks that someone else takes leaving themselves unvaccinated is up to them.

There are people who can't be vaccinated, and instead depend on everybody near them being vaccinated so the disease can't spread to them, so leaving yourself unvaccinated is not a risk only to yourself. I, for example, have a family history that means I can't take the usual meningitis vaccine. I am depending on the people around me getting vaccinated, and if they don't, they push to me a risk of becoming infected, ex…

Now, imagine if due to the incompetence or corruption of government and pharmaceutical companies, you were forced to be vaccinated with a meningitis vaccine anyway (or risk punishment), even though you and your doctor protests there will be dangerous side effects. That's a situation that will happen to some if people are forced to vaccinate. They may or may not be right about the side effects, but to them, it will feel exactly like as if you yourself was forced to take the meningitis vaccine even though you feel very sure it will not be in your best interests. It's probably worth forcing that situation on everyone around you for your own family's wellbeing - but I think it's still worth pointing out the suffering this will cause others.

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You have no right to be protected from getting sick... One's personal liberties should generally extend just shy of infringing on an other's rights.. That should be the default. That said I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm medically unable to take most of them now as they would dramatically increase the chance of a deadly side effect. Once in my life was enough (and the 6-figure hospital bill after insurance cap), and a…

> You have no right to be protected from getting sick... Conversely, you have no right to infect other people (this is a unconsented harm inflicted on others, the most basic thing that is a violation of rights.) To the extent that doing so is neither intentional, reckless, nor negligent, you also shouldn't be held responsible to prevent doing so -- the question with mandatory vaccination largely boils down to whether…

Good luck tracking down and suing patient 0.

Re: Johnson and Johnson, America’s Most Admired Lawbreaker

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My mother was a pharmaceutical sales rep for many years where she did rather well despite her age most likely because she was previously a RN. I say age because the pharma companies blatantly hire "sexy and young" to sell to doctors. Now I'm sure there are other companies that age and appearance discriminate but the pharma companies are especially egregious in that they really don't care if the sales person is qualif…

Pharma sales have strict compliance but guess who enforces those compliances? The pharma companies. Not the FDA. This isn't correct. Sales reps main role is promotion and the FDA has jurisdiction over drug promotion. There are been several examples of the FDA coming down hard on companies where drug reps fall outside of regulations. In fact, most of the non-compliant behavior is reported to the FDA by other competito…

The FDA has jurisdiction but they are not the ones enforcing the rules. And yeah the sales rep main role is promotion but there are electronic tests that are given to each sales rep that are not given by the FDA but by the pharma company. These tests are about getting signatures and information sharing. ie there are rules how they can promote the drug and most of those rules are about getting signatures and revealing key information about the drug.

I would say almost all of the compliance issues are sales reps forgetting to get signatures or getting the wrong signature. This is not what the other pharma companies tattle tell on as its a minor issue that is waste of time for the other pharma company to go to the FDA with.

Lets say the pharma company is unrolling a new drug or wants to try new sales tactics.. they will use use the signature compliance issue to fire sales reps. They will threaten the employee that they can report them to the FDA. Bare in mind that they collect these electronic signatures. And this is a serious termination that benefits the company since they don't have to pay various taxes (as opposed to laying off people).

I'm just curious refurb are you in the industry? I could be wrong that this is done by all pharma companies and this was just an isolated issue (ie bad apple).

Re: Johnson and Johnson, America’s Most Admired Lawbreaker

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post #142
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people who can't be vaccinated, and instead depend on everybody near them being vaccinated so the disease can't spread to them, so leaving yourself unvaccinated is not a risk only to yourself. I, for example, have a family history that means I can't take the usual meningitis vaccine. I am depending on the people around me getting vaccinated, and if they don't, they push to me a risk of becoming infected, ex…

Now, imagine if due to the incompetence or corruption of government and pharmaceutical companies, you were forced to be vaccinated with a meningitis vaccine anyway (or risk punishment), even though you and your doctor protests there will be dangerous side effects. That's a situation that will happen to some if people are forced to vaccinate. They may or may not be right about the side effects, but to them, it will fe…

That suffering is caused by ignorance, not a vaccine.
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