Unsealed Transcript Shows How a Judge Justified Ross Ulbricht's Life Sentence • Hacker News Board

Re: Unsealed Transcript Shows How a Judge Justified Ross Ulbricht's Life Sentence

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Post by randyrand » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 9:28 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #19

clamprecht wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sentence would be sufficient, if 10 years isn't?

Simply for running a drug market, with no additional criminal conduct? Just the nuts-and-bolts of running the site, setting up Tor, taking money, that kind of stuff? 1-2 years seems about right. You think about the very low barrier to starting a site like that up, and then you think about the kind of person likely to stumble into that scheme, and then what it would take to deter them and others from trying it, and it…

1-2 years? Heck, thats not much risk to start a hugely profitable drug market. I'd take that risk if you could ensure I only get up to 2 years.

Re: Unsealed Transcript Shows How a Judge Justified Ross Ulbricht's Life Sentence

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Post by discodave » Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 12:08 AM UTC

nness wrote: post #73

superplussed wrote: post #46

This quote of the judge as he delivering his verdict is so crazy (he is reading from Ulbricht's journal): Two days later on April 8 you write: "Sent payments to angel for hit on Tony76 and his three associates. Began setting up hecho as standby" -- I have no idea what that is -- "refactored main and category pages to be more efficient."

Not to nitpick, but the judge was female :)

How is that comment relevant?

Re: Unsealed Transcript Shows How a Judge Justified Ross Ulbricht's Life Sentence

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Post by anonbanker » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 7:43 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #22

anonbanker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for the record, this is what ulbricht was convicted of: narcotics trafficking; distribution of narcotics by means of the Internet; narcotics trafficking conspiracy; continuing criminal enterprise; conspiracy to aid and abet computer hacking; conspiracy to traffic in fraudulent identity documents; and money laundering conspiracy. notice that "attempting to have multiple people killed" is not something he was convicted…

Notice indictment, first count, overt act B.

This is why I don't trust you, Tom. You know he wasn't convicted of it, and you agree through acquiescence. But knowing that, you pretend to conflate indictment and conviction, as if it justifies what I said being wrong.

That's lying, Tom, and it isn't right.

Re: Unsealed Transcript Shows How a Judge Justified Ross Ulbricht's Life Sentence

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Post by anonbanker » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 7:44 PM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #25

anonbanker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for the record, this is what ulbricht was convicted of: narcotics trafficking; distribution of narcotics by means of the Internet; narcotics trafficking conspiracy; continuing criminal enterprise; conspiracy to aid and abet computer hacking; conspiracy to traffic in fraudulent identity documents; and money laundering conspiracy. notice that "attempting to have multiple people killed" is not something he was convicted…

From the linked documents, straight from the judge as sentencing adjustments: Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he is alleged to have commissioned and paid for. The Court must determine whether these allegations have been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence and I find that there is ample and unambiguous evidence that Ulbricht commissioned five murders as part o…

then why didn't they convict him of it? Or more importantly, why didn't the prosecution keep the charge?