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Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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Re: Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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"And the fact is he's right. The absolute best thing for the ordinary arab people that the USA and all the other oil importers could do is immediately stop buying oil. And the unpleasant truth is that every dollar you spend at the petrol pump is indeed a vote in support of those despicable regimes." For the moment put countries in the Middle East aside and think about car companies during this recession. When people…

Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you reach the perverse notion that it's the USA's, and the rest of the world's, moral obligation to pump money into the region to prevent war. The oil is not even a factor, and will run out eventually anyway. Isn't this imperialist thinking of the very worst type? Like in all things I defer to the superior words of the masters: "It is as you say, of course," Shoum said…

"Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you reach the perverse notion that it's the USA's, and the rest of the world's, moral obligation to pump money into the region to prevent war. The oil is not even a factor, and will run out eventually anyway."

If the world were black and white and the only choices were stop buying oil completely or continue the way we currently do things that would be true. But the world isn't like that.

Contrary to what Political Pundits might say our leaders really aren't idiots. For several decades now we've been pursuing alternate fuel sources (which should start to slowly reduce the amount of oil we purchase) while denouncing foreign oil use (which should subtlety undermine regimes that have no real plan beyond "make money off oil").

Again history provides the perfect model here. The U.S. won the cold war not by drastic actions but by slowly undermining the USSR's political system with political rhetoric while doing everything we could to create an economic environment that endorsed the ideals we hoped they would emulate

Re: Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you reach the perverse notion that it's the USA's, and the rest of the world's, moral obligation to pump money into the region to prevent war. The oil is not even a factor, and will run out eventually anyway. Isn't this imperialist thinking of the very worst type? Like in all things I defer to the superior words of the masters: "It is as you say, of course," Shoum said…

"Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you reach the perverse notion that it's the USA's, and the rest of the world's, moral obligation to pump money into the region to prevent war. The oil is not even a factor, and will run out eventually anyway." If the world were black and white and the only choices were stop buying oil completely or continue the way we currently do things that would be true. But the wo…

Contrary to what Political Pundits might say our leaders really aren't idiots. For several decades now we've been pursuing alternate fuel sources [..] while denouncing foreign oil use [..]

Are you kidding? Our leaders have done no such thing and if they had, they really are idiots because they have been stunningly unsuccessful on both.

I don't think the USSR has much to teach us about the middle east, the situation is completely different. And the USSR was never a vassal state - indeed it's probably the only other country that could be considered an equal to the USA in recent history, along with China. So it's really quite an inappropriate comparison to make.

But I wonder if, long term, the USA really "won" in the first place. Remember "the only way to win is not to play". Well the Russians just decided not to play - or were unable to continue, at any rate. And whose blood is being spilled in Afghanistan these days?

Anyway, I wasn't intended to start a futile political argument, so let's agree to disagree : D

Re: Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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For an interesting thought experiment, replace all references to the Arabs with Russians and see if you still think it's bigoted. Like this: Are their intelligent people in Russia? Sure, they are just not in charge, in jail or they’ve been murdered already. That's ignorant, of course, but I wouldn't call it bigoted and it would have probably passed without controversy. In fact I think accusations of bigotry say more…

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For an interesting thought experiment, replace all references to the Arabs with Russians and see if you still think it's bigoted. Like this: Are their intelligent people in Russia? Sure, they are just not in charge, in jail or they’ve been murdered already. That's ignorant, of course, but I wouldn't call it bigoted and it would have probably passed without controversy. In fact I think accusations of bigotry say more…

Straw man. What if you turned it around to say, "Are there intelligent Black people in America? Sure, they are just not in charge in jail, or they've been murdered already."

Bigoted.

Americans don't Otherize Russians the way they do Arabs or Black people, because Russians are white. Totally different case.

The most despicable of the oil regimes is probably Saudi Arabia, which the United States supports whether you buy gas or not. Maybe you should consider lobbying your congressperson.

Re: Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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post #6

For an interesting thought experiment, replace all references to the Arabs with Russians and see if you still think it's bigoted. Like this: Are their intelligent people in Russia? Sure, they are just not in charge, in jail or they’ve been murdered already. That's ignorant, of course, but I wouldn't call it bigoted and it would have probably passed without controversy. In fact I think accusations of bigotry say more…

Yes I'm probably on the same page. THis blogger seems to have been awaiting such a chance to lay into him. With that said he certainly shows a lot of ignorance (mixed with some truths) but i think mostly it is just classic cultural superiority.

This blogger barely paid attention to him until now. I had no idea he said those kinds of things, trust me.

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post #5
post #2

Jason should just step up on this one and admit that he made unwarranted generalizations without the first clue what he was really talking about. I'm sure that if some farmer somewhere said that American entrepreneurs were all lazy hipsters looking to scam venture capital and live like kings while jerking off with technology toys all day he would declare that person to be ignorant. Yet somehow he thinks that he is qu…

> he would declare that person to be ignorant. ...but not bigoted.

He called them savages. How is that not bigoted?

Re: Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I'm probably on the same page. THis blogger seems to have been awaiting such a chance to lay into him. With that said he certainly shows a lot of ignorance (mixed with some truths) but i think mostly it is just classic cultural superiority.

This blogger barely paid attention to him until now. I had no idea he said those kinds of things, trust me.

The opening lines and the close to your TC comment sorta suggested otherwise to a reader.

Re: Jason Calacanis Shows His (Horribly Bigoted) Stripes

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For an interesting thought experiment, replace all references to the Arabs with Russians and see if you still think it's bigoted. Like this: Are their intelligent people in Russia? Sure, they are just not in charge, in jail or they’ve been murdered already. That's ignorant, of course, but I wouldn't call it bigoted and it would have probably passed without controversy. In fact I think accusations of bigotry say more…

Straw man. What if you turned it around to say, "Are there intelligent Black people in America? Sure, they are just not in charge in jail, or they've been murdered already." Bigoted. Americans don't Otherize Russians the way they do Arabs or Black people, because Russians are white. Totally different case. The most despicable of the oil regimes is probably Saudi Arabia, which the United States supports whether you bu…

> Bigoted.

Can you explain why you feel the comment is specifically bigoted; and who too?

If he is referring to certain extreme societies it is probably a correct comment (and equally applicable to other countries too). He is, perhaps, confusing radicalized leadership with a lack of intelligence.

As a whole that entire section of text was verging on bigoted (though I can understand people feeling angry about the treatment of women/homosexuals etc. in the region) but I felt it was more misguided and angry than malicious.

If your reading it as "Arab people are stupid" I think your misreading (or deliberately looking for it).

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