I don't get it. Is the article exaggerating things? How can you function without feeling emotions? What is your motivation for getting married? Getting a job? Playing a game or watching a movie? Succeeding at any task? What is your reward mechanism? For example "All week he had been struggling to produce the right sound effects," How would you even know you hit the right sound effect? What is your judgement for good…
What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
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Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#72There are many questions I would like to see asked of Caleb, the subject of much of the article. For starters, I would like to know about his sense of humor, and about his taste in music and art, and how he would describe his preferences.
I don't think my sense of humour is much different from anyone else's, I laugh at something I think is funny. My general mood is very flat a lot of the time but other than that I think funny is just funny. I wouldn't necessarily bother going to see a comedian I knew I would laugh at though, if that makes sense. i.e. I don't seek out situations I think will make me laugh and I wouldn't say I enjoyed a night I laughed for 2 hours more than one I watched a documentary or something. I do think I laugh at comedians a lot less than when I was younger, which is one way I think I'm becoming less rather than more emotional if that makes sense.
Music/Art again I don't think are really affected. I listen to some music and subscribe to spotify but I don't use it a huge amount. Clearly I couldn't tell you a song I found uplifting, that's two concepts that I just don't see as related. When people say that my gut reaction is that they're just saying it because they like how it makes them look, I'm not sure if I believe it's an actual feeling as such. I'm not into art but I like things that are nice to look at. I have no appreciation of abstract art at all but I don't think that's uncommon
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#73One of the "this would be funny if it weren't so morbid" truths about psychology is that much of our understanding of the brain springs from cases in which normally-functioning people have parts of their brains physically destroyed in accidents.
The most famous example is Phineas Gage, who experienced some specific personality changes (go figure, right?) after a railroad spike pierced his head but left him otherwise unharmed. His mishap provided visceral proof that the brain wasn't just an undifferentiated lump; it showed us that specific areas of the brain perform specific tasks including emotional and behavioral issues.
Alexithymia can sometimes be the result of a brain injury. A person with "normal" emotional responses can, after a brain injury, find themselves with alexithymia.
I'm not sure of a definitive source to link to; apologies for the Google search results link: https://www.google.com/search?q=traumatic+brain+injury+and+a...
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#74How should you know? Actually an interesting problem: A1. You say you don't experience emotions. A2. What you call emotions is what you see others do when they say they are acting emotionally. You don't think you are this way. A3. Your doctor says you're right. Or: B1. You say you experience emotions. B2. Others say you are wrong.
You're completely right at it's heart is an innate doubt over whether this is actually a problem or just a manifestation of some weird thought process. The only way to really get outside this kind of introverted bubble is to ask people or confide in them. This leads to conversations like whether an emotion like happiness is an actual thing or not that they can identify and actually feel. In the sense that they are ac…
I do wish I could change states at will, but historically it has always been a result of some sort of external influence.
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#75I don't get it. Is the article exaggerating things? How can you function without feeling emotions? What is your motivation for getting married? Getting a job? Playing a game or watching a movie? Succeeding at any task? What is your reward mechanism? For example "All week he had been struggling to produce the right sound effects," How would you even know you hit the right sound effect? What is your judgement for good…
It is really weird to be honest, I wouldn't say the other replies on this comment at the moment cover it so thought I would try and add something. On one had you're right those are genuine issues, there's little motivation to do anything really. I guess it is a spectrum but I still feel that if someone asks me to do something that I'm being a nice person if I do it, I guess others might be devoid of that. So if invit…
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#76I wonder how people with alexithymia respond to MDMA (ecstasy)? I've heard people say that the first time they really experienced emotions was on MDMA.
The hypothesis makes perfect sense and is very intriguing, however it doesn't seem to pan out. There are narcissists and sociopaths who have tried it as a therapy. Unfortunately the only result seems to be increased love for themselves, or feelings of God like superiority over others.
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Other people getting married is not something you would care about since you have not emotions. They don't. They just copy what other people do because it's the default thing to do (everyone does it), and because they want to stop that annoyance (annoyance like we feel annoyance from a crappy seat belt or uncomfortamble shows, not emotional misery) and distraction (the nagging from other people, etc). No emotion mo…
If they don't have any emotions they don't care what other people do or that they nag them. Nothings annoys them, nothing excites them. You getting the order wrong. Of course you need to build up intuition when you create things that doesn't have a matemathical formula. Thats exactly what intuition is a combination of rational understand, experience and emotional awareness of what decision is right and which one is w…
I think you conflate emotions with any kind of functioning at all. You can still function, think, try to avoid tension and people being angry or annoyed at you, without feeling any emotions.
If you discover that something you do makes someone unconfortable for example, you can decide to stop it, despite not feeling bad about doing it.
"Hmm, this guy says this thing I do makes him feel bad. I'm told that feeling bad is something people don't like. I should stop it, so that he doesn't feel bad, so that I'm like normal people or so I wont get into trouble for what I do".
Motivation for going with the flow doesn't gave to be "oh, I'll be miserable if I wont". It can be mere rational reasoning -- "I better not make waves" or things like "last time I did that they punched me and it hurt. I'd want to avoid being punched again".
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why would caring for yourself be "more logical" than for others? Because you ARE yourself, and the obvious thing is to maximize your strength. And because caring for others implies "love", "affection", "altruism" (emotions, not rational calculations) and even sacrificing your interests for others, whereas helping yourself is immediately advantageous for you and is in your default interest.
Because you ARE yourself, and the obvious thing is to maximize your strength. So what? Why is it logical to do the most obvious thing? And because caring for others implies "love", "affection", "altruism" (emotions, not rational calculations) and even sacrificing your interests for others, whereas helping yourself is immediately advantageous for you and is in your default interest. Even if there is a "default interes…
Because that's how logic works. We are not discussing Logic the mathematical formalism (A=A, A=C, A!=B => B!=C) here.
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why would caring for yourself be "more logical" than for others? Because you ARE yourself, and the obvious thing is to maximize your strength. And because caring for others implies "love", "affection", "altruism" (emotions, not rational calculations) and even sacrificing your interests for others, whereas helping yourself is immediately advantageous for you and is in your default interest.
>whereas helping yourself is immediately advantageous for you and is in your default interest. No it isn't, it's basically suicidal. We wouldn't evolve to be mostly altruistic if being altruistic was bad for our survival.
Evolving concerns the species (and its survival) not the individual and its survival.
It literally has nothing to do with your individual survival (except depending on you surviving long enough to make offspring).
Heck, awful as it is, if you raped 2000 women and gave progeny to 2000 kids it would be considered great from an evolutionary aspect -- far more than "being altruistic".
Re: What is it like to have never felt an emotion?
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would caring for yourself be "more logical" than for others? I don't think the concept even applies. Logic concerns itself with the validity of reasoning: Given X and Y, you can validly infer Z - it doesn't concern itself with the goals. So, unless there's an underlying axiom that supports the assertion that you should promote your interests above others', it's not "more logical" to do so than to dedicate your li…
> Why would caring for yourself be "more logical" than for others? Because you ARE yourself, and the obvious thing is to maximize your strength. And because caring for others implies "love", "affection", "altruism" (emotions, not rational calculations) and even sacrificing your interests for others, whereas helping yourself is immediately advantageous for you and is in your default interest.
It is of course also possible to rationally emulate such behavior, as well as emulate emotions, but it may not be easy, and might come at a substantial cognitive cost.
In addition, I would imagine that being able to feel certain emotions yourself must be of great help in predicting behavior of people who do feel those emotions. For example, I am still not sure what can or cannot trigger jealousy, having never felt it myself -- there is a learned list of things that can do it, but by construction it is never complete; it would have been nice to have some sort of an intuitive understanding. And it extends much further, e.g. I've seen studies demonstrating how people with good emotional intelligence tend to be better stock traders.