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You make excellent points. I guess what I meant was that Zillow's model _should be_ to improve the process and to make it cheaper. Maybe 6%-7% commission is still appropriate for high-end properties that only have a limited pool of potential buyers (that's not my world, I don't really know) but for average homes in 2015, it is an anachronism left over from a time when buyers and sellers couldn't do a lot of the legwo…
Is 6-7% really the norm in the USA its 1 or 2 % in the UK if so damm that is a market that needs disrupting.
What Zillow doesn't want you to know about its listing gap
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BuildZoom just updated their numbers to county vs county comparisons that get around the problem of inconsistent geographical boundaries in some cities. The story remains.
BuildZoom is utterly incompetent. Take a look at this: http://imgur.com/a/X2ajc Notice how Baltimore County, MD includes Baltimore + the county on Realtor.com (8,579 properties) and Baltimore County, MD on Zillow does not include the city itself? 4523 vs 8579 is indeed ~52.7%. However when you include Baltimore, MD on Zillow too? An additioanl +4211 listings. (4523 + 4211) = 8734 VS 8579. Seriously BuildZoom. Get you…
But what about the other 50 cities? Once they fixed the initial geographic boundaries issue, you're just attacking the sidelines.
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BuildZoom is utterly incompetent. Take a look at this: http://imgur.com/a/X2ajc Notice how Baltimore County, MD includes Baltimore + the county on Realtor.com (8,579 properties) and Baltimore County, MD on Zillow does not include the city itself? 4523 vs 8579 is indeed ~52.7%. However when you include Baltimore, MD on Zillow too? An additioanl +4211 listings. (4523 + 4211) = 8734 VS 8579. Seriously BuildZoom. Get you…
Ok. So thanks to your post they will fix Baltimore. But what about the other 50 cities? Once they fixed the initial geographic boundaries issue, you're just attacking the sidelines.
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Would I use them to sell? Maybe. Would I use them to buy? Most definitely. As mentioned further down in this thread, buyer's agents have every incentive for the buyer to pay as high a price as possible (due to RE commission structure). I want someone earning a fee on my transaction because they got me the best price (as either buyer or seller). Price of a service can be a form of signaling, but paying more for someth…
Depends on the market. In a competitive market, I want my agent to be as dedicated as possible, not one taking a smaller cut. We won a 13-offer bidding war on a financed deal with only a SLIGHTLY higher price than the 2nd place, all-cash offer. anything could have made the difference in the deal, and I'm more than happy to throw another 10k at the agent to have it locked down. You're right that traditional agents hav…
It's cool that you liked your agent but in our experience submitting hundreds of offers in SF and LA, 100% of the time we've come in with the highest price at comparable terms (waived inspections in SF) our buyer has won. In our case, we take a smaller cut because we do less upfront shopping/client prospecting work, not because we provide less service in the offer/close process. But at the end of the day, it's really your money doing most of the work, not the dude presenting it.
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Otoh, are the very best agents going to work for rf and make less money? Redfin looks like modern KW to me. Most great agents don't want to undersell their own industry. And while there are many markets where a mediocre agent will do, I wouldn't take that chance in sf, la, Nyc, Miami, etc
What differentiates real estate agents in terms of "skill"? It seems like their access to information of products available for sale would be the only useful service a from a real estate company. Of course, granted knowledge of which houses are available, helping the buyer find something they like is important but could this not be done with a google street view type system?
I thought I'd also mention the company I work for, HomeLight (www.homelight.com). We're trying to provide transparency into real estate agent performance to help people select agents that will actually provide value to them during a property purchase or sale.
There are over 2 million licensed real estate agents in the US. The average number of transactions per agent per year is under 2. Good agents can provide tremendous value, but finding those gems is really tough, especially when agents, until recently, tried very hard to hide their past performance. Also, a lot of markets don't really require a lot of work from agents. In SF for instance, you can list almost any property and get above asking price for it after one weekend of open houses, but that doesn't hold for other markets, which can make the 5%-7% commission feel like you're being cheated.
When my wife and I were looking for houses in the East Bay (Oakland and Berkeley mostly) our agent was average. She would send us property dumps for the entire city of oakland (we had no interest in east oakland, but she kept sending us properties there) and she didn't respect the way I wanted to communicate with her (email...she called me all the time), and she didn't provide great guidance on what we should offer on properties we were interested in. But, she did a good job showing us properties and pointing out issues, figuring out all the open house times, communicating with other agents, introducing us to a great loan officer, etc. I /could/ have contacted all the listing agents for the 10 properties we wanted to see a week myself, but she did that for us, which saved a ton of time.
Agents that are "bad" are ones that won't return your calls, don't listen to your needs, try to show you properties you aren't interested in, don't know the area you are interested in well, can't identify when a roof probably needs to be replaced or if someone just painted over the black mold in the basement corner, hooks you up with crappy loan officers, etc. And unfortunately, there's a TON of those agents out there.
Re: What Zillow doesn't want you to know about its listing gap
#177http://www.inman.com/2015/10/06/buildzoom-calls-zillow-out-f...
Article is gone from original source too... Obviously nothing to see here folks ;)
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#178..aand it's gone. I just got: "–This post has been temporarily removed at the request of Zillow. We are collaborating with them to write a more complete version of the story, and will have an updated version posted on October 7th.–" Nothing creepy about that. Certainly doesn't leave me feeling that whatever it is the article said about Zillow apparently hit them pretty close to home.
Archive.org has the original (for the time being) - https://web.archive.org/web/20151006173818/https://www.build...
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Which is also why they have very spotty coverage; if they're not a licensed broker in your area, they have zero listings.
To be precise on this: Redfin covers 75+ metro markets and the vast majority of the United States by population. "Spotty" is fairly inaccurate if your intent is to describe the % of the population that can use Redfin to find a home. (I work at Redfin).
I think "spotty" is fair, though I root for your company and hope the coverage becomes universal.