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How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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There are some good videos[1] going through the mindset of setters as they set problems that I feel explains the concept super well.

Also, another crossover between technology and climbing that has been doing the rounds recently is this really interesting gamification of bouldering[2]. The guy uses a projector to put spots on a bouldering wall that the players have to hit. Fastest time wins.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feveaPjUb4E [2] http://joinrandori.com/blog

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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At one point a few years ago when Max was setting routes in Boston, he was free-soloing a 14d at Rumney (one of the harder climbs in the world, without a rope, probably 40-50' tall), and fell on the last move of the climb. He broke both his legs but survived, and later went on to make it through to the finals of a bouldering competition with boots on both legs. Unbelievable natural talent - I've seen him out at Dogpa…

Max's accident was described in the article. Or did the article get it wrong?

They got it right actually, supernova is only about 30ft, super short lead route, shorter than a lot of highball boulders out there. Which explains why he tried to solo it. I don't think many people are trying to solo long single pitch sport routes that hard.

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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The one annoying thing to me about route setting is there's seemingly no science to it (or at least I didn't get that from the article). I may climb a V5 at one gym, but not be able to crack a V3 at another. It would be nice to know if i'm really progressing or if Router Setter Bob just keeps labeling a V3 as a V5.

Most gyms have other setters agree on ratings. So it's not just Bob's opinion that matters, its multiple of the gyms setters opinions too. If Bob keeps setting problems that he says are v5 and are actually v3, the other setters will say so and the gym will take the groups agreed upon rating (at least thats how my gyms have done it). Sometimes the group can be wrong though, or the beta is super difficult and no one gets it so the climb feels grades above what was intended.

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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I cannot express how much I hate these posts. I read the headline and I'm getting all curious and want to know the answer. But hell no: "The route setter studied the blank gray surface." and I already know the ⅘ of the text will be pouring water, like telling me it was "a Tuesday in early June" and what climbing holds were being made of in 1985 or something. So I'm left with the choice: read it all or give it up after I'm already intrigued. Are these journalists being paid by word or they're just honestly thinking they are Scott goddamn Fitzgerald?

Worse than that, this particular post doesn't even quite answer the question. Turns out it's pretty much of an art without any rules.

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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It was really fun watching climbers figure out the 360 degree campus move described in the article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69YVimEOX3I Problem 4 starts somewhere around 2:07:00. Adam Ondra skipped the 360 by starting with arms crossed, somewhere around 2:28:??. I don't think he was the only one doing that, just the one I remember. These contests show amazing ingenuity by both the setters and the climbers. Bo…

>Bouldering should be in the Olympics in 2020 Climbing has been shortlisted among other sports that might get added, and the proposition includes lead, speed and bouldering. Whether it will really happen is doubtful (final decision will be announced in August 2016). I think it would be great, but I should hope that the traditionally festive ambiance of climbing competitions will not get tainted by the ridiculously se…

omg I would watch the hell out of this

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'd also be surprised if many programmers weren't climbers as well. Those two activities are basically my favorite two things to do, and I believe they complement each other very well. Much like programming, it gets harder the better you get at it.

When I was at Waterloo almost everyone I knew at the climbing gym was some combination of engineering, physics, mathematics, and computer science. This doesn't surprise me since bouldering problems, as discussed here, are puzzles, akin to programming puzzles, where the solution is often some clever trick that, once known, makes a problem easy.

Yup.

After a lifetime of failed attempts at “getting in shape” or finding some sort of exercise regiment that I could stick to, bouldering finally worked — because it’s not boring.

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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post #44

I cannot express how much I hate these posts. I read the headline and I'm getting all curious and want to know the answer. But hell no: "The route setter studied the blank gray surface." and I already know the ⅘ of the text will be pouring water, like telling me it was "a Tuesday in early June" and what climbing holds were being made of in 1985 or something. So I'm left with the choice: read it all or give it up afte…

That's F. Scott goddamn Fitzgerald to you! How dare you even attempt short me one character!

But I agree with you otherwise!

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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post #44

I cannot express how much I hate these posts. I read the headline and I'm getting all curious and want to know the answer. But hell no: "The route setter studied the blank gray surface." and I already know the ⅘ of the text will be pouring water, like telling me it was "a Tuesday in early June" and what climbing holds were being made of in 1985 or something. So I'm left with the choice: read it all or give it up afte…

I distinctly remember this one as an offender in unnecessary language. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2015/09/28/whence-func...

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'd also be surprised if many programmers weren't climbers as well. Those two activities are basically my favorite two things to do, and I believe they complement each other very well. Much like programming, it gets harder the better you get at it.

In SV, maybe, but I don't know about too many other places.

It's picking up in NYC, too. Brooklyn Boulders is full of developers.

Re: How the World's Most Difficult Bouldering Problems Get Made

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I've climbed on well set routes and poorly set routes. At higher grades, good setting makes all the difference between an enjoyable, hard challenge and something I never want to try again. I like the recent trend at most gyms to let members rate routes on a 5-star scale. You start to recognize good setters and climb their routes first. I wouldn't call it "setter worship", but good setting is something I can appreciat…

I really like the rating idea, any idea if people just rate the setters they like really well? I go to a smallish gym and all the regulars know all the setters so this probably wouldn't work for us.

I live in Boulder, so there's no such thing as a small climbing gym here. As far as I can tell, people rate the routes. IMHO, the ratings end up being really accurate, one gym (Movement) even uses three significant digits.
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