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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mlazaroff » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:32 AM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #787

codeulike wrote: post #530

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Oh wow, you can use the new pen with the SP3? Interesting.

Why wouldn't you be able to do that? Seems logical that it would work. Unless Microsoft changed the pen manufacturer (again).

It does work. Microsoft bought n-trig last year.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by twodayslate » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:34 AM UTC

cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

Powershell is pretty powerful. You can do some crazy/awesome things with it. It has a learning curve but is worth the time to learn it.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by twodayslate » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:36 AM UTC

mark_l_watson wrote: post #292

One advantage that Microsoft has is better cloud services and integrated apps. I am typing this on a MacBook, but I use Office 365, and all of the cloud services and apps run just fine also on my Android phone and iPad. Perversely, Microsoft supports Linux very well: I find the web versions of the Office 365 apps useful on my Linux laptops and I use Linux VPSs on Azure. The Surface Book blows me away. It looks like i…

One of Apple's advantages is that it is really difficult to build and submit apps without access to a Apple computer.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by chang2301 » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:42 AM UTC

this might be something to expect after all these years...seeing lots of dudes wish Windows to come back just to give Apple more pressure to make the next revolutionary product...this might be a alarm to Apple somehow by lacing breakthrough all these years.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by bane » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:43 AM UTC

In case somebody missed the presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407Fykg8oz4

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by super_mario » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:43 AM UTC

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #423

mark_l_watson wrote: post #294

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Exactly right! The dual operationg system approach was a good short term decision, but I also think that Apple made a mistake, taking a long term view.

I disagree. OS X already has touch support. All Apple has to do is make a touch-sensitive screen for an MBP and add an emulator window for iOS and you have a hardware unit that runs everything. iOS was originally cut down for performance reasons. Then large parts were locked for security - especially carrier network - security. Performance isn't an issue, but carrier security is. And I don't think mobile users are go…

I don't think apple cares about the laptop market any more. Apple is and wants to be a phone company. Their MacBook Pro line is a legacy product. Also, their desktop OS is converging towards locked down mobile appliance and away from UNIX roots (it seems Apple won't be happy until they kill the file system access for the regular user and lock down OS X so only App Store apps can be run on it). In the end it will be a choice between buying a computer or a Mac.

So, to me Apple are out if the game. It will not be Apple who will give us the mobile workstation quality OS in a pocket device that can hook up to a screen around you and allow you to work like you do today on your desktop.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by kibibu » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:53 AM UTC

dpark wrote: post #561

lsniddy wrote: post #492

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I think the num pad is a huge addition. I use it both in Excel and Photoshop. that being said i love this device more than anything ive seen since the XPS 13

I think the number pad on a laptop is a massive waste and an anti-feature for 99% of users. Most people don't use it enough to justify the space it takes, and especially the ergonomic awkwardness of having the keyboard perpetually off-center.

Here are some other keys that are a massive waste for 99% of users:

* Home

* End

* Backtick/tilde ` ~

* Backslash/pipe \ |

* PrtScn

* Break/Pause

* Any F key that is not F1 or F5

When's the last time most users typed a backslash? A pipe char? A backtick?! (If you say "in a command prompt" you are not talking about the mythical 99% of users)

Depending on the audience, [delete] is a waste of space too - a lot of people just use backspace. Would you abandon it?

Not being useful for everybody doesn't mean it's useful for nobody.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by partiallypro » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:54 AM UTC

sixothree wrote: post #624

dade_ wrote: post #493

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And for those of us early adopters with the Surface Pro 3, I can upgrade my pen and use the new charging doc. Well done. Feels thoughtful, not something I can say about my Asus Windows tablet experience.

Can you use the old dock with the Surface Pro 4?

The simple answer is, yes.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by BinaryIdiot » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:54 AM UTC

MLR wrote: post #336

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #79

I'm very curious how well the trackpad on the Surface Book works. I've had MacBooks and the HP Spectre; the Sprectre is awesome but the trackpad...I mean holy shit it's just absolutely awful to the point where I've pretty much stopped using it. So how good is this trackpad and does it work like a MacBook's where two fingers = right click versus this weird obsession PC vendors seem to have about dividing a single trac…

In Windows 10 I think MS ship trackpad drivers now, on the old Surface products at least two finger tap is definitely a right click anyway.

Interesting; I haven't tried messing with the drivers since Windows 8.1 but using the default ones didn't support two finger scrolling and just seemed wonky. The two finger tap works on either though; I want the two finger click. Taps don't work well in games :)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by partiallypro » Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 2:57 AM UTC

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #214

cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

I'm running Windows 10 with multiple Linux server distros in the background. Hyper-V shuts them down and brings them up with Windows. WinSCP is my file manager and Putty is my terminal. I prefer this over OS X on Apple hardware because I can get the exact Unix experience that I want without having to fight with Apple about who is in control of the machine. Perhaps more importantly, I get the desktop experience that I…

I really enjoy Bitvise over PuTTy. If you haven't checked it out, give it a gander. BUT, in the upcoming Windows 10 update SSH support is coming to Windows' shell. So technically you won't need either. It will be more like Terminal on Mac. I still will be using Bitvise, just because of how it manages key files, etc.