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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mozumder »

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #122
devit wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do they prevent the Surface Book from toppling over, given that all internals must be in the screen part? It seems this would either double the system weight (due to counterweights) or require an extra stand in the back.

Well the keyboard is in the stand, part of the battery is probably in the stand, all of the ports are in the stand, the dedicated GPU is in the stand, plus the stand actually lays flat while the screen is mostly upright so in any normal position the stand could only be a fraction of the screen and still not cause it to topple right? I guess the combination of all of that and perhaps a little extra counterweight if ne…

Very disingenuous of them to not include the full weight spec with the keyboard.

my big worry with the MS hardware is its flimsy plasticky nature.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by JacobDensly »

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

So the Surface Book must be a fantastic device. Given that there's seems nothing else to hate about ...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by huac »

smackfu wrote: post #434
aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Apple isn't exactly who I would point to as a good comparison. They have plenty of overdesigned pages: http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

Can't use mouse-scroll on this page, only arrow keys.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by tluyben2 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #294
NDizzle wrote: post #104

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I had a long discussion a few weeks ago with some friends about how in the short term, Apple messed up with iOS/OS X while Microsoft took the hard, long, correct route and made the OS work in both places. This was after the launch of the iPad Pro which is xbox-huge. I was imagining a product which was a MacBook "Base" which you could connect an iPad to as the 'screen' - except you'd have two different OSes that you'd…

Exactly right! The dual operationg system approach was a good short term decision, but I also think that Apple made a mistake, taking a long term view.

I disagree as well; not because it is Apple as Google is doing the same thing; 'people' (not people reading HN generally) really don't need to power of OS X or Windows or a fullblown Linux distro. In fact, they are much better off without. Windows / OSX drive a lot of people mad; iOS/Android/Chrome are simple. There is a market for Windows/OSX/Linux obviously but the current use of Windows is very much because of the history; by far most people / most jobs do not require anything like this and are, in fact, better off with a far more limited and more straight forward option. From companies that went to iPad (Android would've worked but it seems less popular) for sales reps and other staff; they say it saves them millions on training, installation, updating etc. Nevermind for non tech savvy consumers where this is even worse. I do not know how good MS Office is on the iPad but if it is good I have no clue why 99% of employees and consumers would not be fine with a tablet + keyboard and a very limited OS.

Edit; that said; bring on the competition. I would buy a Surface Pro just to experiment if it had more battery life. I hoped the 4 would be (a lot) better in that department but it is not. So then I'll just run my MBP with El Capitan instead for now; http://i.glui.me/1GuUc4H

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by reitanqild »

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

Yes yes yes. As someone who has used and always thinks of Macbooks but cannot stand them I really look forward to good Windows laptops.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by togusa »

Karunamon wrote: post #313
exelius wrote: post #301

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Microsoft's server software is actually top-notch and has been for years. Server 2003 was rough, but after that MS really started improving the management tools and allowing a lot more command line via powershell, etc. And in corporate America, Microsoft's Server products are near-ubiquitous. Consider that most of the in-house workflow tools at any company are built in Sharepoint -- and Sharepoint is actually a great…

At the risk of sounding overly snarky: Top-notch does not mean putting the Goddamned Metro UI, a thing for users on touch screens , on a Goddamned SERVER OS like they did with 2012. It's insanity. Every time I have to RDP into a 2012 machine, I cringe a bit. Whoever was responsible for that decision should be shot, and the corpse fired. For all Microsoft has been doing to improve their standing lately, they still mak…

I haven't RDPed into a server for at least a year. Do everything with WinRM and powershell remoting and DSC. All our kit is 2012 R2 core.

It does suck on a server though big time.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by masklinn »

pkkp wrote: post #16
nullrouted wrote: post #3

I think the Surface Book is finally something that can give the MacBook Pro line a run for its money, this should be interesting.

My thoughts exactly. To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, but I haven't found any non-Apple hardware that's comparable. If they get the trackpad and keyboard right on it, this will open a lot of interesting doors.

> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping

I don't understand how anyone can state that, OSX has always had shit-show releases as a rule with a few exceptions (spit and polish cycles like Mountain Lion), and "never buy a v1 of a new design" has been the community's mantra since before I bought my first Apple device 15 years ago, it's one of the first things I was told.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by jscipione »

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Microsoft need to add this to their jQuery to fix the layout issues:

$(window).trigger('resize');

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